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Title: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 29 July 17 12:12 BST (UK)
Hello,

Can anyone locate baptismal records for the following children:

Mabel Eliza and Minnie Ethel Pepper, born 1871, St. Mary's

Frank Pepper, born c. 1874, presumably also in St. Mary's.

Parents were John H. and Eliza Pepper.

Thanks,

Adam McGregor
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: dbree on Saturday 29 July 17 12:24 BST (UK)
Hi,

Previous post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775665.msg6292762#msg6292762

Mabel and Minnie's birth records were found. Frank's remains missing. Did you take Rosie99's advice
and browse the birth records.

Cheers,
DB
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 29 July 17 12:32 BST (UK)
I tried, but there are so many.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 29 July 17 12:45 BST (UK)
I tried, but there are so many.

We would have to do the same  ???   ;)
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: dbree on Saturday 29 July 17 12:57 BST (UK)
Hi,

There is a song by Ringo Starr "You know it don't come easy" ;D ;D

There is no guarantee it's there, perhaps his parents never got around to it, or it is missing altogether, or it was illegible.

Think of it as a project, browse so many per day.

Cheers,
DB
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 29 July 17 13:02 BST (UK)
Yes I think I'll start doing that  ;D
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 29 July 17 21:18 BST (UK)
Do you know his exact date of birth?  Perhaps that could narrow your search?  It is time consuming to search records, but it is really exciting when the record is located, if there is a record, of course (said from experience).  ;)
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Saturday 29 July 17 22:57 BST (UK)
I'm afraid not. He was born in either 1873 or 1874, with a younger brother born in Cambridge in late 1874. I began my search today through 1873. Will probably take a while.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 30 July 17 07:31 BST (UK)
Good luck in your hunt  :) 

Those of us who have been doing family history since before parish registers went online did all of our research this way as there were no indexes so know what it is like to have to spend hours trawling the registers.  ;D
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Tuesday 01 August 17 22:09 BST (UK)
I'm afraid not. He was born in either 1873 or 1874, with a younger brother born in Cambridge in late 1874. I began my search today through 1873. Will probably take a while.

What was the younger brother's name? Did he die before 1881? I don't see him with the family on the 1881 census.

Jacquie
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:06 BST (UK)
Yes, he must have died young. His name was Albert Percival Pepper, or something like that. You can find him on GRO with the mother's maiden name as Scarr.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:08 BST (UK)
Births Dec qtr 1874   
PEPPER    Albert Percival        Cambridge    3b   496    
Deaths Mar qtr 1875 
PEPPER    Albert Percival        Cambridge    3b   433
age at death was 2 (weeks or months)

Burial 12 Jan 1875 - Chesterton
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:12 BST (UK)
Thanks for that. So the Peppers were back in England by late 1874.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:25 BST (UK)
Have you found baptisms for the children born in Cambridge  :-\
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:26 BST (UK)
I'm afraid I haven't searched. I'll look now.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:27 BST (UK)
There is a good chance that if they did not baptise their children once back in England then they did not bother when in Canada
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 11:29 BST (UK)
Nope, no recorded baptisms. However, John came from a family of Christians; his nephew, H.O. MacRow was a Methodist priest, if memory serves. They may not have been involved with religion particularly.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: cosmac on Wednesday 02 August 17 16:03 BST (UK)
St. Matthews Newington, County London  England 
Baptism July 11, 1896 of Frank Pepper born Aug 14, 1873 with parents shown as John Hinson Pepper and Eliza, occupation tailor, address 56 Chatter's Square.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 16:11 BST (UK)
Thank you! He married at the same church, that same year. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 16:20 BST (UK)
Where might I find this record?
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 16:20 BST (UK)
And also, would you be able to find the marriage record at (probably) the same church, the same year, to Florence Harding?
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: cosmac on Wednesday 02 August 17 16:22 BST (UK)
Found it on ancestry.  Baptisms for city of London.
Will look for marriage.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 16:25 BST (UK)
Thanks!
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: cosmac on Wednesday 02 August 17 17:14 BST (UK)
Nothing indexed for their marriage.  I looked at Southwark district in browse individual records section but there is nothing listed for St. Matthews Newington for 1896 in London marriages category.  There are other churches in Newington - All Souls, St. Mary's.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 02 August 17 17:16 BST (UK)
Ah, perhaps it was one of them.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 03 May 18 20:03 BST (UK)
Hi there...

Baptisms of Minnie Ethel and Mabel Eliza Pepper
27 Feb 1898
Tunbridge Wells Kent England
Father John
Mother Eliza

There is no other info in the transcripts on A....try.

PB



Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 03 May 18 20:08 BST (UK)
Thanks! That's helpful.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 03 May 18 21:09 BST (UK)
You're welcome  :). The family certainly moved around, didn't they?

There is no further info on the familysearch website either.

PB
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 03 May 18 22:36 BST (UK)
Yes, I also have both sisters in 1911. One became a Diplock; I forget the married name of the other one. Hills rings a bell? Anyway, yes they did move a lot! My ancestor moved to Wales and then to London before dying in Ireland in 1922.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: bbart on Friday 04 May 18 04:33 BST (UK)
Hi MacGrigor,

Not what you were asking about, but I came across an article on the father, John Hinson Pepper that might be of interest:

From Cambridge Daily News 16 March 1920

AN OLD CAMPBRIDGE RESIDENT- An inquest
held on March 11th, at East Twickenham, Mid-
dlesex, by Mr. R Kem, JP on John Hinson
Pepper
, aged 71, who died from heart disease
suddenly early on Wednesday morning resulted
in a verdict of "Death from natural causes."
Mr. Pepper, who lived in Cambridge-parade,
Richmond-road, Twickenham, where he had
been in business for the past nine years, was
very well known to a large number of Cam-
bridge people, having been in business here for
many years at 29 Bridge-street, and also previ-
ously with his father at the corner of Ram-yard,
as Pepper and Sons, University tailors and robe
makes. Just prior to living at Twickenham he
managed a business at Histoc.


I cannot locate "Histoc" on any map, so perhaps it is a typo  ???
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Friday 04 May 18 07:33 BST (UK)
That's great! I've been looking for any newspaper record for his death for ages.
Title: Re: Baptisms for Pepper children in St. Mary's, Ontario
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 14 June 18 01:34 BST (UK)
I doubt the Peppers would've been recorded on a census but is there any information about where the family lived in St. Mary's between 1871 and 1873/4? Tax or electoral registers?

Added: for John Hinson Pepper, a tailor born 1849, Cambridge and co.