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I am trying to find any information on a James Campbell, Manchester. The only information I have is he married Isabella IRVING in the parish of Dalton, Dumfriesshire 2 January 1852.
Isabella's parents were John IRVING & Isabella IRVING (Carlyle)
Have looked on Scotlands People for births and deaths but with no luck and wondered if they moved to Manchester.
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I had a look on the 1861 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7P4-45Y
Not sure if you meant James was born in Manchester.
Jamjar
Added: Not them as mmn is SEWELL
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There is a birth in 1860:
CAMPBELL, MARGARET mmn IRVING
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 381
CAMPBELL, JANE ANN mmn IRVING
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in WIGTON Volume 10B Page 471
Did you check the 1861 Scottish census?
J.
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Is it possible to tell us what it says on the marriage regarding the parish for both please?
What info. do you have from births/baptisms of children for his occ?
I had a look on SP for possible baptisms pre 1855 but no luck (possibly haven't survived)?
Can you tell us where/when Isabella was born please as this can help in locating her on census'?
Do you have deaths for either (Ooops! Speed reading not good) & what makes you think they moved to Manchester?
The more info. you can provide the easier for researchers to help?
I couldn't find a 0 - 2 yr old Margaret (born Carlisle, Cumberland) on 1861 Scottish/English census' & wonder could she have died pre census?
No luck with Jane Ann in 1871 either so far ???
Annie
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Hi Margaret do you know what James's occupation was ? there are several tree's that have the family in Australia ..I did find a baptism for a John Campbell 3/3/1854 Manchester father James ( joiner )
Mother Isabella ..
There is a death for a Isabella Campbell 1912 South Yarra Victoria Australia age 81
Father Irving Jno
Mother Isabella Carlyle
Tree's have a death for James Campbell 1903 South Yarra but not seeing this so far
Quite a lot of family born to this couple if this is the right ones
Rosie
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Just found the death for James Campbell birth about 1832
Jas Campbell age 71
Died S Y Victoria 1903
Mother Elizth Campbell
James Campbell appears to have been born in Dalton
Some family photo's on tree's
Rosie
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Good finds Rosie 8)
Annie
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Annie
I am afraid I have very little information on the Irving family. Haven’t been able to find any of John IRVING & Isabella’s children births on Scotlands People. So, I do not know where she was born – from the 1841/1851 census’s the family lived at Dalton, Dumfriesshire.
Was by chance I found Isabella’s marriage on SP. I do not have either of their deaths. As I haven’t been able to find them on SP I thought perhaps they may moved to Manchester.
The marriage details are: James Campbell, Manchester and Isabella Irving in the Parish of Dalton and married on 2nd. January 1852.
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Jamjar
Have looked on the 1861 census. Will check the GRO reference.
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Hi Margaret will be in touch later but here is a birth for one of the daughters
Isabella Caryle Campbell 1863 Richmond Victoria
Death Isabella Carlyle Campbell 1939 South Yarra Victoria age 76
Father James Campbell
Mother Isabella Irving
Rosie :)
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Good finds Rosie 8)
Annie
Absolutely - well done Rosie.
cupcake
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Hi Margaret do you know what James's occupation was ? there are several tree's that have the family in Australia ..I did find a baptism for a John Campbell 3/3/1854 Manchester father James ( joiner )
Mother Isabella ..
There is a death for a Isabella Campbell 1912 South Yarra Victoria Australia age 81
Father Irving Jno
Mother Isabella Carlyle
Tree's have a death for James Campbell 1903 South Yarra but not seeing this so far
Quite a lot of family born to this couple if this is the right ones
Rosie
Excellent :D Those appear to be Isabella's parents.
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Just found the death for James Campbell birth about 1832
Jas Campbell age 71
Died S Y Victoria 1903
Mother Elizth Campbell
James Campbell appears to have been born in Dalton
Some family photo's on tree's
Rosie
Thank you again.
cupcake
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Hi Margaret will be in touch later but here is a birth for one of the daughters
Isabella Caryle Campbell 1863 Richmond Victoria
Death Isabella Carlyle Campbell 1939 South Yarra Victoria age 76
Father James Campbell
Mother Isabella Irving
Rosie :)
Look forward to that Rosie. Many thanks.
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Death notice for the daughter, mentions parents and siblings, bottom of first column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11255041
J.
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Deaths:
CAMPBELL Elizabeth age 10 Reg. year1866 Reg. no2941
CAMPBELL Francis Irving age 74 Reg. year1934 Reg. no8247
CAMPBELL James Black age 80 Reg. year1938 Reg. no11037
CAMPBELL Isabella Carlyle age 76 Reg. year1939 Reg. no7325
CAMPBELL Joseph Irving age 80 Reg. year1948 Reg. no7537
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Deaths:
CAMPBELL Elizabeth age 10 Reg. year1866 Reg. no2941
CAMPBELL James Black age 80 Reg. year1938 Reg. no11037
CAMPBELL Isabella Carlyle age 76 Reg. year1939 Reg. no7325
CAMPBELL Joseph Irving age 80 Reg. year1948 Reg. no7537
Many thanks.
cupcake
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They were in Australia by 1857:
Elizabeth was not born in Australia
Births from VicBDM
1857 James Black
1861 Thomas Irving
1863 Isabella Carlyle
1865 William Denham
1867 Joseph Irving Joseph (sic) Irving Isabella Carlyle (Irving)
1869 Benjamin
1871 Henrietta
1874 Edward Robson
J.
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Looks like William Denham Campbell was in WA as a surveyor. No death on WABDM or VICBDM, that I can see.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article58422033
J.
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Have sent you a PM with a link to a tree that appears to have very accurate information.
It will save us looking things up that are already provided.
Jamjar
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Looks like you were correct in thinking that they were in Manchester:
John CAMPBELL
b. 27 MAR 1854 Chorton-on-Medlock,Manchester,England
And interesting, looks like they sailed in to SA:
Elizabeth CAMPBELL
8 NOV 1856 Adelaide, SA
Elizabeth's birth confirmed:
1855 CAMPBELL Elizabeth James CAMPBELL Isabelle IRVING Adelaide 5/247
J.
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They were in Australia by 1857:
Elizabeth was not born in Australia
Births from VicBDM
1857 James Black
1861 Thomas Irving
1863 Isabella Carlyle
1865 William Denham
1867 Joseph Irving Joseph (sic) Irving Isabella Carlyle (Irving)
1869 Benjamin
1871 Henrietta
1874 Edward Robson
J.
Thank you for all the information.
I now have the relevant information on James Campbell and Isabella (Irving) I was asking for and now know they went to Australia.
cupcake
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You will need to verify the information on the website tree. It has the wrong year of death for son William Denham.
His death notice and burial site:
Campbell William D Perth 1546 1935
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32916472
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00053070
J.
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Rosie,
I have sent you a PM.
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They sailed on the Marion from Liverpool 27 August 1854 arriving Adelaide 10 December 1854
Campbell James 22 Carpenter - Dumfries
Isabella 23
John inf
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/marion1854.shtml
Jamjar
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Got it Margaret will be in touch :)
Rosie
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They sailed on the Marion from Liverpool 27 August 1854 arriving Adelaide 10 December 1854
Campbell James 22 Carpenter - Dumfries
Isabella 23
John inf
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/marion1854.shtml
Jamjar
Well done Jamjar lots of information there :)
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie.
There is quite a detailed tree online and most is verifiable and correct.
They don't have the shipping details though. ;)
Jamjar
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They sailed on the Marion from Liverpool 27 August 1854 arriving Adelaide 10 December 1854
Campbell James 22 Carpenter - Dumfries
Isabella 23
John inf
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/marion1854.shtml
Jamjar
It looks as if James was living in Dumfries as a joiner. I now know when they sailed. Thanks.
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Margaret here is Isabella's family on the 1841 Census
Address Hindgill Brae Dalton Dumfries
John Irvine 57 occupation Navy P
Isabella Irvine 41
Thomas 15,Mary 13,Isabella 10,Francis 7,Henrietta 5,Joseph 2,William 11 months
1851 Census Hindgill Brae Dalton Dumfries
Isabella Irving age 49 b Hoddom Dumfries ( dress maker )
Thomas Irving 25 b Dalton ( game watcher ) he also went to Australia
Francis Irving 16 b Dalton ( apprentice cloger ) ......Australia
Henrietta Irving 14 b Dalton ......Australia
Joseph Irving 12 b Dalton
Rosie
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Rosie, why do you think the Irving children came to Australia?
Jamjar
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Margaret here is Isabella's family on the 1841 Census
Address Hindgill Brae Dalton Dumfries
John Irvine 57 occupation Navy P
Isabella Irvine 41
Thomas 15,Mary 13,Isabella 10,Francis 7,Henrietta 5,Joseph 2,William 11 months
1851 Census Hindgill Brae Dalton Dumfries
Isabella Irving age 49 b Hoddom Dumfries ( dress maker )
Thomas Irving 25 b Dalton ( game watcher ) he also went to Australia
Francis Irving 16 b Dalton ( apprentice cloger ) ......Australia
Henrietta Irving 14 b Dalton ......Australia
Joseph Irving 12 b Dalton
Rosie
Hi Rosie,
I have the 1841/1851 census’s. I did know about Thomas going to Australia, he married at Dalton in 1851.
John Irving (the father) may have been in the Napoleonic war where he possibily lost a leg. Have no other information on him.
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Rosie, why do you think the Irving children came to Australia?
Jamjar
Thomas Carlyle Irving death 4 May 1916 Melbourne
Francis Irving b1834 death 1894 Ballangeich Victoria father Jno mother Isabella Carlyle
Henrietta Carlyle Irving married William Denholm 1864 Victoria
Death Hetta Carlyle Denholm 1916 Ardale Victoria
Father Jno Irving mother Isabel Carlyle
www.findagrave.com mentions her children and her place of birth
Rosie
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Hello,
I am a great grand daughter of James and Isabella Campbell (nee Irving). I would be most grateful for any information you have for them. Also happy to try and answer any questions.
Jenny Campbell