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Hi there,
I THINK this man below might be a relative of mine. Is there a way to ascertain who his father was?
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First name(s) Patrick
Last name McCabe
Birth year 1837
Birth parish Amatriss
Birth town Ballybay
Birth county Monaghan
Birth country Ireland
Service number 3690
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment 47th Regt Of Foot
Year 1855
Attestation date 12 Jun 1855
Attestation age years 18
Discharge corps 47th Regt Of Foot
Discharge service number 3690
Document type Discharge
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 1536
Box record number 104
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, UK Other
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I´m looking for a Patrick McCabe born in Monaghan c 1835/1840, son of Sylvester McCabe.
Thank you in advance.
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Hi there,
I THINK this man below might be a relative of mine. Is there a way to ascertain who his father was?
I´m looking for a Patrick McCabe born in Monaghan c 1835/1840, son of Sylvester McCabe.
Thank you in advance.
Do you have a more exact location than 'Monaghan'? The date is well before civil registration of births so you'd need to see if you can find a baptism or other record to get a father's name. Do you know what religion the McCabes would have been?
Added- more details added to original post after I posted
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See that you've already asked about Patrick McCabe and his father Sylvester
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=535931.0
Added- and another thread on Patrick here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745576.0
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Thank you for your reply ... annoyingly, I can´t be more specific than Monaghan!
The family were almost certainly RC. Patrick married in the RC chapel in Darlington, County Durham in 1861 ... but I can´t find him in the census that year. He also baptised his children RC and was buried RC in Yorkshire, England.
To me, the names Sylvester`or Silvester seems quite unusual which I´m hoping might narrow down a search, but I might be mistaken.
I´ve attached Patrick and his wife in 1891 Census which shows their places of birth.
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Thank you aghadowey / is it best to delete those threads and start afresh now more is available online?
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J
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No reason to delete threads but add to them rather than starting new ones? Have you followed the advice you were given earlier?
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My Grand Mother's Grand Father (if you follow) was a man of the same name but not the same man. I wonder if you know that his attestation details are probably at the National Records Office in Kew? As he was a Chelsea Out Pensioner and there were no photographs then there is a description of what he looked like no doubt to help when he went to collect his pension in Liverpool. So mine was 5'10" , fair skin and hair and blue eyes. No doubt if some one six foor 2 with red hair turned up he'd be chased!
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Thank you aghadowey ... I did enquire about the death certificates but there was no way to confirm the details before purchasing so frustratingly, not really any further forward.
Ah thank you Ellenowen ... no I didn´t realise his attestation papers were at Kew. I wonder if they would mention a next of kin.
There are other Patrick McCabes in the army at that time, but I´ve focused on this one as the dates fit before his marriage. And how great to know about his description. I´m six foot two with red hair / apparently this comes from the McCabes side.
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Thank you aghadowey ... I did enquire about the death certificates but there was no way to confirm the details before purchasing so frustratingly, not really any further forward.
That's not all that was suggested earlier-
Both Patrick and Alice were born well before the start of Civil registration, so you will need to check for church records. You would need to know the family religon(s) and which parish(es) they lived in to search for available parish records..
Have you checked any online parish registers yet?
If you don't know where in Monaghan they lived then you can do what the rest of us do- check each parish one by one- but suggest you start in locations where a Sylvester McCabe appears in Griffith's Valuation. Be sure to keep a note of parishes whose records do not cover the period you need and also make a note of where you have checked since it's easy to lose track of what's already been done.
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Thank you again - I have tried the online indexes on both Ancestry and Find My Past, but no luck yet ... will keep trying!
With this, I've also checked the TNA discovery for this Patrick McCabe's attestation papers but they don't seem to be there? Any ideas why?
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This is what you need to start searching-
Irish Catholic Parish Registers online (free)- http://registers.nli.ie/
Other advice also given previously so please read through the threads again.
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I shall start to work my way through. Thank you.