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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: Carly287 on Monday 07 August 17 16:34 BST (UK)
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Between the; 1871 and; 1881 Census, the James Family changed their name to; Thacker?? I have no idea why, even though I know for definite I have the right family. I have traced the James Family, back to 1826. John James, baptised on the; 29th January, 1826, Syresham, Northamptonshire. His parents, were; James James?! and Hannah. If anyone is able to help me that would be great! Thanks, Carly
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Have you traced his parents in the census? Just a few thoughts below on possible parents
1861 living in Syresham
James James 62 Ag Lab Biddlesdon, Buckinghamshire,
Hannah James 57 Ladborough, Warwickshire,
Charles James 19 Biddlesdon, Buckinghamshire
1851 Living in Biddlesdon, Buckinghamshire
James James 53 Farmer 12 Acres Shalstone, Buckinghamshire
Anna James 47 Farmer Wife Warwickshire
Joseph James 22 Farmers Son Syresham, Northamptonshire
Charles James 6 Farmer Son Syresham, Northamptonshire
1841 Living in Biddlesden
James James 35 Ag Lab Buckinghamshire
Anna James 35
Joseph James 13 Buckinghamshire
Clementina James 6 Buckinghamshi
Whilst there is a John James age 10 living in Syresham and working as a servant
Baptism for Clementina https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPY9-W4D and I think this is the birth of the son Charles with mother's maiden name Thacker from the GRO Birth Index
CHARLES JAMES Mother's maiden name THACKER
GRO Ref Sept Qtr 1841 BRACKLEY Volume 15 Page 210
Baptism of Hannah Thacker that ties into the birth place in 1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMNH-LKS
I can't see a marriage to James James to Hannah Thacker at the moment -Maybe why the family used the Thacker surname on occasions :-\
Kay
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Yeah it's confusing isn't it. The 1861 Census, you have shown, I've got them on that! Thanks!
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I researched my James/Thacker family quite a few years ago and only ever listed them on hard copy. This is from memory and before checking my records. John James and wife Jane left Syresham for Sheffield with sons Arthur, Charles, Herbert & Enos (not Enock as shown in 1871 census), they also had a daughter Mary and may have left one daughter behind. Enos is my gt grandfather and I probably have more information on the whole family that anyone else. I am willing to share the information but would like to know your connection. I do have an idea why the family changed it's surname and I have a history backwards before Syresham where Thacker was previously a family name. I would be happy to hear from you.
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Hi Tony's Search!
I am actually researching the family tree on behalf of my friends husband. His line goes through Enos's Brother; Herbert Kirby James Thacker. My friend and her husband would liove to get in touch with you, but they are also wanting a typed up version from me aswell. So are you able to give me the details you have by inboxing me please? I will then pass on your details to my friend and her husband. Thanks, Carly
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Carly, I see that I have to have posted 3 messages/replies before I can send a personnel message privately with my email address, so I will put 2 more lots of Thacker information on shortly for that to work, unless there are any other suggestions on how to send a private message ?.
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Hi Tony's search,
I haven't got a clue on how to do that lol! Yeah just send me the details on here, until you can inbox me lol! Thanks, Carly xxx
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John James b.1826 Syresham. M.1848 Jane Norman Kirby b.1827:
Parents of John were James James b.1799 m.1822 Hannah Thacker bapt. 1805 Ladbroke,Warks:
Parents of James were William James b.5/10/1761 m.28/9/1788 Mary Goodgame b.?.
Parents of William were Thomas James b.1720 Oxon m.1741 Mary Chamberlain b.1721 Merton, Oxon.
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Wow thankyou! Do you have anymore information on the thackers/James family please?
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Family of John James b.1827 d.1890 m.14/12/1848 Jane Norman Kirby b.1829 d.1889
Both are buried in Sheffield.
Children: Another researcher found a Sarah James b.1848 in Syresham and thought it was a child of John & Jane but I have found no evidence for that.
Arthur Amos James. bapt 14/3/1850. (1st marriage 1868 in Syresham to Susannah Lovesey)
Second marriage to Alice King in Walkley, Sheffield, they had no children but raised Theresa Thacker, daughter of Enos James, after his first wife died 3 years after giving birth.
Charles Norman James. Bapt 11/4/1852. Married Rose Broadhead in Sheffield and they had 3 children before moving to Canada where they had 2 further children.
Mary Janet James. Bapt 4/3/1855.
Herbert Kirby James. Bapt 27/9/1857. Married Eliza Alice King and they had 10 children but 2 died very young. Family still living in Sheffield area.
Enos James. Bapt 10/5/1866 married Florence Alinda Beal who died 3 years after giving birth to my grandmother Theresa Thacker. Enos married again and had 2 further children.
The Thacker surname was added between 1866 and 1871, probably at the time of the move to Sheffield. The only reason I believe is that Arthur did not want to commit bigamy by not divorcing his first wife, although perhaps unbeknown to him his first wife had died. In 2005 a person living in Syresham declined to talk about the James/Thacker family because of what happened all those years before. My father who also lived at Arthurs house in his early life said that Arthur lived with his cousin, which was not true, it was his wife.