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Title: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Monday 07 August 17 20:47 BST (UK)
Looking to find more details about my grandmother's family who were Cassies from Monquhitter.

My grandmother was Mary Cassie (1912-1965), married to Lewis Beddie Scott from Fraserburgh.

Her parents were John M Cassie and Elizabeth Calder, and I only have a mother listed for John, Annie H Cassie, daughter of Alexander Cassie and Mary Philip. Alexander's father was James Cassie, mother was Elizabeth Killoh.

If anyone has any dates for these folks that would be great, as would being able to go back past James Cassie.

If anyone knows who John Cassie's father was that would also be fantastic.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: ruthhelen on Tuesday 08 August 17 00:03 BST (UK)
John M Cassie was registered as John McKnight Cassie, born in 1887 in New Blyth, Aberdeenshire. It was relatively common practice for illegitimate children to be given their father's name as a middle name, so that would suggest that McKnight would be a good candidate for the surname of his father.

He isn't indexed as John Cassie or McKnight on SP, which suggests the father wasn't present at the registration of the birth, but having a look at the entry on SP may reveal a corrected entry where the father is named following subsequent court action by the mother.

John Cassie married Lizzie Calder in 1909 in Millbrex, Aberdeenshire. Again, he isn't indexed as John Cassie or McKnight, which suggests his father isn't named on the marriage registration either, but you can check that on SP to be sure.

Ruth
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: GR2 on Tuesday 08 August 17 07:59 BST (UK)
Are these the Cassies from King Edward, who were at Mill of Byth in 1841 and 1861, and at Waterloo in 1851?
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Tuesday 08 August 17 12:56 BST (UK)
Are these the Cassies from King Edward, who were at Mill of Byth in 1841 and 1861, and at Waterloo in 1851?

I believe so yes.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: ruthhelen on Monday 14 August 17 20:05 BST (UK)
Your Cassies are an interesting - and large - bunch.  :o And on this journey, I’ve found two links into my own family! There are a lot of them - and I’m not entirely convinced I’ve got them all yet, as the surviving parish records for King Edward for most of this period are incomplete.

James Cassie and Elizabeth Killoh had 10 children that I’ve found so far, between 1799 and 1811. James also had two children with his first wife, Isobel Pirie, who he married on 2 Feb 1794 in King Edward. Fortunately, all the children survived beyond 1855, so death records exist - and Elizabeth Killoh herself lived until 1863.

I can’t find any record for James Cassie’s birth or death - although there are a couple of trees on Ancestry which have him born in 1752 to William Cassie and Marjory Reid (this is one of the few baptisms that appear in the King Edward records). I’m not sure I’m buying this as our James, as that would have made him over 40 when he first married and nearly 60 when his youngest son was born - which isn’t beyond the bounds of possibility, but I wonder if there’s a generation missing. If there is, however, I can find no documentary evidence of it.

There is a James Cassie (presumably James Cassie senior) listed at Auchnagorth in the 1809/10 Aberdeenshire tax rolls - then there’s a gap in the 1819/20 rolls, where Auchnagorth appears against George Chalmers and John Black. By 1830/31, Auchnagorth is back with the Cassies, with James Cassie (presumably the James born 1796, who appears as head of the house in the following censuses). So James Cassie senior must have died between 1810 and 1820 - which would fit with him being around 60 in 1810, I suppose.

None of these Cassies appear to have been buried at King Edward - or at least, no monuments appear to survive - and there are practically no burials recorded in the parish records.

By way of summary - the children of James Cassie - the first two with Isobel Pirie, the remainder with Elizabeth Killoh:

- Margaret Cassie, b. 1794, King Edward; m. William Mitchie, 1816, King Edward; d. 1862, Forglen, Banffshire; two children.
- James Cassie, b. 1796, King Edward; d. 1866, King Edward; unmarried.
- Ann Cassie, b. abt 1799, King Edward; d. 1880, King Edward; unmarried.
- John Cassie, b. abt 1801, King Edward; d. 1886, King Edward; unmarried.
- William Cassie ,b. abt 1802, King Edward; m. Margaret Urquhart, 1828 King Edward; d. 1890, King Edward; six children.
- Andrew Cassie, b. abt 1803, King Edward; m. Jane Andrew, 1827 King Edward; d. 1870, Old Machar; six children.
- May Cassie, b. abt 1803, King Edward; m. James Kidd abt 1827 King Edward; d. 1887, King Edward; three children.
- George Cassie, b. abt 1804, King Edward; m. Ann Andrew, 1827, King Edward; d. 1884, King Edward; nine children.
- Alexander Cassie, b. abt 1805, King Edward; m. Mary Philip, 1830 King Edward; d. 1897, New Deer; eleven children.
- Robert Cassie, b. abt 1807, King Edward; d. 1869, King Edward; unmarried.
- Adam Cassie, b. abt 1809, King Edward; d. 1868, King Edward; unmarried.
- David Cassie b. abt. 1811, King Edward; m. Mary Robertson, 1833, King Edward; d. 1888 King Edward; nine children.

There are two other Cassie families in King Edward around the same time - who I suspect are related - and possibly related to this James Cassie branch. Peter Cassie and Isabel Ross had a son, John Cassie, in 1781, who married one Jean/Jane Cassie (b. 1802), daughter of William Cassie and Elspet Greig - I would guess they were cousins, making William Cassie and Peter Cassie brothers - and also perhaps James Cassie senior - although I have no evidence of that…

John and Jean/Jane Cassie had four children in King Edward before settling in Orkney.

William Cassie and Elspet Greig’s son, James Cassie, was a shoemaker, and he and his family are evident in the census records in King Edward. He married twice - first to Martha Laird, with whom he had at least eight children; and second, to Margaret Thom, with whom he had a further six children. James, Martha and Margaret are the only members of this extended family who appear to be buried in King Edward kirkyard.

William Cassie and Elspet Greig's son, William Cassie, married Ann Massie from Marnoch, Banffshire - I’ve only found two children for this couple. Their daughter, Margaret Cassie died a spinster - she appears with her father, William, in the 1841 census in King Edward. There was another daughter born to William Cassie and Elspet Greig, Isobel Cassie, but I can’t find any trace of her after her baptism in 1804, so perhaps she died in infancy.

And as a footnote - the primary link into my own family is via Mary Philip, wife of James Cassie and Elizabeth Killoh’s son Alexander. Mary Philip’s brother, Thomas Philip, married my 2nd cousin, 6x removed, Christian Lawrence.

Phew  ;D

Ruth
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Monday 14 August 17 20:25 BST (UK)
And as a footnote - the primary link into my own family is via Mary Philip, wife of James Cassie and Elizabeth Killoh’s son Alexander. Mary Philip’s brother, Thomas Philip, married my 2nd cousin, 6x removed, Christian Lawrence.

Phew  ;D

Ruth

That is a phenomenal amount of information! Thank you very much. I guess we are distantly related then as Mary Philip was my 3x great grandmother.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: GR2 on Monday 14 August 17 20:52 BST (UK)
These extracts are from James Godsman's book on King Edward.

"Lower Auchnamoon.......... In 1750, William Cassie and Marjory Reid assumed the tenancy. He was the son of Alexander Cassie and Margaret Pyper, Easter Melrose."

"Yonder Auchnagorth......... Before 1740, the tenant is George Hynd. James Cassie, born at Auchnamoon in 1752, succeeded George Hynd before 1784. He died at Auchnagorth about 1812. His second wife Elizabeth Kiloh, described as "a handsome and powerful woman," resided at Auchnagorth for many years. She was assisted by her second son William, who in 1866 was succeeded by William Chalmers...."

The book states that Alexander Cassie, tenant of Jackstown, moved to Easter Melrose (both in Gamrie) before 1708. His wife was Margaret, daughter of James Reid in Crovie. They had children, James, Alexander, Isobel and Anna. Alexander Cassie senior died 21-1-1730 (gravestone at King Edward). Alexander Cassie junior married Margaret Pyper, daughter of John Pyper in Oldtown of Melrose. They had children, William, Peter and Mary. William went to Auchnamoon, Byth. His wife was Marjory Reid. They had sons, James and William.

Let me know if you want the complete text.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Monday 14 August 17 21:36 BST (UK)
These extracts are from James Godsman's book on King Edward.

"Lower Auchnamoon.......... In 1750, William Cassie and Marjory Reid assumed the tenancy. He was the son of Alexander Cassie and Margaret Pyper, Easter Melrose."

"Yonder Auchnagorth......... Before 1740, the tenant is George Hynd. James Cassie, born at Auchnamoon in 1752, succeeded George Hynd before 1784. He died at Auchnagorth about 1812. His second wife Elizabeth Kiloh, described as "a handsome and powerful woman," resided at Auchnagorth for many years. She was assisted by her second son William, who in 1866 was succeeded by William Chalmers...."

The book states that Alexander Cassie, tenant of Jackstown, moved to Easter Melrose (both in Gamrie) before 1708. His wife was Margaret, daughter of James Reid in Crovie. They had children, James, Alexander, Isobel and Anna. Alexander Cassie senior died 21-1-1730 (gravestone at King Edward). Alexander Cassie junior married Margaret Pyper, daughter of John Pyper in Oldtown of Melrose. They had children, William, Peter and Mary. William went to Auchnamoon, Byth. His wife was Marjory Reid. They had sons, James and William.

Let me know if you want the complete text.

The complete text would be great! Thanks
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: GR2 on Monday 14 August 17 22:29 BST (UK)
   In 1675, James Cassie was in Middlethird, Monquhitter, in 1696, he is in Asleid. He is the father of the lines settled in Culbyth, parish of King Edward, and Jackstown, parish of Gamrie. 
   In 1696, William Cassie is in Culbyth. His wife's name is not known. His servants are George Leslie, Christian Hepburn, James Cassie, herd, his son, and William Cruickshank, shoemaker, and his spouse. In 1723 William Cassie is an elder of the parish church. Besides James, he had the following children: Jean, servant in Old Gullie in 1696, Alexander, at Culbyth in 1705; he is witness to a baptism of a son to John Russell in Clochforbie. James, who was herd at Culbyth in 1696, is farmer at Meadowbank, Forglen, in 1741. George, in Overtown of Auchry in 1734. Anna, baptised March 23rd 1701. Witnesses are Anna Leslie, daughter to James Leslie of Byth, and William Chessor of Old Gullie. Isobel, baptised March 6th, 1712. Agnes, residing in Forglen in 1745.
   Alexander Cassie, the eldest son, married Margaret Anderson. They had sons William, baptised December 13th, 1713. Walter, baptised August 2nd, 1710. Peter, baptised January 22nd, 1721. They were all born at Little Byth. Peter or Patrick was a merchant and burgess of Banff. He was admitted a burgess and guild-brother on September 12th, 1747. He is described as "a man of vision and energy." On October 14th, 1752, he married Janet Bisset, parish of Pitsligo. He died in 1793. Of his children, Alexander born 1753 died in London in 1822, a successful West Indian merchant. He left a legacy of £10,000, 3 per cent. Consols, under the management of the Town Council of Banff. Patrick, Writer in Banff, and a burgess in 1769. He married Bathia, daughter of Alexander Smith and Barbara Barclay, Pitgair, parish of Gamrie. Their daughter Barbara, born 1801, was Matron of the Elgin Institution for 11 years, she died there in 1856. The Banff line is represented by Alexander Cassie, The Firs, Turriff, whose valuable help with the family tree is much appreciated.
   In 1704, Alexander Cassie is tenant of Jackstown, parish of Gamrie. Before 1708, he removed to Easter Melrose, in the same parish. His wife was Margaret, daughter of James Reid of Crovie. They had sons James and Alexander, and daughters, Isobel, and Anna. James married a daughter of James Chives of Strichen. He was tenant of Tillymauld, and had a son William who succeeded. Alexander Cassie, the first of Melrose died January 21st, 1730. The stone in King-Edward Old Churchyard was erected by his son Alexander, whose wife, Margaret Pyper, was the daughter of John Pyper in Oldtown of Melrose. They had sons William, Peter, and a daughter Mary. The second son Peter Cassie, born 1735, succeeded his father in Easter Melrose. He married Elspet or Isobel Ross, daughter of James Ross in Silverford. They had a son John born 1781. John was a master mariner; he married Sophia Thorn at Alverstoke, Hampshire, on May 20th, 1813.
   William, born 1731, the eldest son of Alexander Cassie and Margaret Pyper, went to Auchnamoon, Byth. His wife was Margaret Reid. They had sons James, born 1752, William, who settled in New Byth. On April 25th, 1795, he married Elspet Greig, daughter of Alexander Greig and Isobel Rankine, New Byth, a branch of the Greigs of Eden. They had sons William, b. 1796, James, b. 1807, and daughters, Margaret, Jane, and Isobel. James, b.1807, was a shoemaker in New Byth, he died 3rd January 1875, aged 67. His first wife Martha Laird died 12th August, 1847, his second wife Margaret Thom died 11th June, 1888, aged 70.

More in following post.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: ruthhelen on Monday 14 August 17 22:31 BST (UK)
Well there you go - so James Cassie senior was born in 1752 after all  ;D ;D

I saw the reference to Alexander Cassie (d. 1730) and Margaret Pyper in the MI index for King Edward and thought they must fit into the puzzle somehow  ;)

Fascinating stuff - thanks GR2  ;D

Ruth
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: ruthhelen on Monday 14 August 17 22:38 BST (UK)
  The second son Peter Cassie, born 1735, succeeded his father in Easter Melrose. He married Elspet or Isobel Ross, daughter of James Ross in Silverford. They had a son John born 1781. John was a master mariner; he married Sophia Thorn at Alverstoke, Hampshire, on May 20th, 1813.

Now that's interesting - I'd assumed that the John Cassie born to Peter Cassie and Isobel Ross was the same John Cassie who married Jean/Jane Cassie, but this suggests otherwise. We must be looking at another John Cassie born around the same time.

Ruth

EDIT: have just checked the death record for the John Cassie who married Jean/Jane Cassie - he died in Orkney in 1864 - and his father is, indeed, given as Peter Cassie (mother not known)... I wonder if this was his second marriage - as he was 47 when he married Jean/Jane Cassie in 1828... No mention of him being a mariner in the census records though - he's a crofter by 1841...
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: GR2 on Monday 14 August 17 22:47 BST (UK)
   James Cassie, eldest son of William Cassie and Marjory reid, was born at Auchnamoon in 1752. He was twice married. He is the great-great grandfather of George Cassie, Backhill of Auchnagorth. On February 2nd, 1794, James Cassie married Isobel Pirie. They had two children, Margaret and James. Before 1784, James Cassie is tenant of Yonder Auchnagorth. He married secondly, Elizabeth Kiloh. They had sons John, William, Andrew, George, Robert, Adam, Alexander, David, and daughters Annie and May.
   George, the 4th son of the second marriage, born about 1805, had a son james born at Bogfern, King-Edward in 1827. He married Jane, daughter of Robert Lawson and Jane Porter, Mains of Fisherie. They were the parents of Robert Lawson Cassie, author of six books of verse, born at Hill of Logie, Gamrie, in 1859. David, the youngest son of the second marriage, born about 1819, was grieve at the Home Farm, Meldrum House. He removed to Backhill of Auchnagorth, and was succeeded by his son, David, whose wife was Isabella Webster. David Cassie died April 1920, aged 84, Isabella Webster died January 1915, aged 75. Their son George Cassie bought the Backhill, 32 acres, and the neighbouring holdings of Basilhill, 40 acres, the croft of Corthiemoss, 7 acres, and Cowieshillock, 26 acres, from Colonel Garden Duff of Hatton. His wife Elizabeth Bruce, was born at Stephensburn, new Deer. A son Adam resdies at Hillhead, Ellon. Mr Cassie now aged 74, is a worthy son of a distinguished ancestry, he is a type of Scottish farmer that has brought credit to the industry. He is ably assisted by his daughter Margaret, and by his son and grandson, both named George.

This was published in 1952.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Tuesday 15 August 17 14:17 BST (UK)
   James Cassie, eldest son of William Cassie and Marjory reid, was born at Auchnamoon in 1752. He was twice married. He is the great-great grandfather of George Cassie, Backhill of Auchnagorth. On February 2nd, 1794, James Cassie married Isobel Pirie. They had two children, Margaret and James. Before 1784, James Cassie is tenant of Yonder Auchnagorth. He married secondly, Elizabeth Kiloh. They had sons John, William, Andrew, George, Robert, Adam, Alexander, David, and daughters Annie and May.
   George, the 4th son of the second marriage, born about 1805, had a son james born at Bogfern, King-Edward in 1827. He married Jane, daughter of Robert Lawson and Jane Porter, Mains of Fisherie. They were the parents of Robert Lawson Cassie, author of six books of verse, born at Hill of Logie, Gamrie, in 1859. David, the youngest son of the second marriage, born about 1819, was grieve at the Home Farm, Meldrum House. He removed to Backhill of Auchnagorth, and was succeeded by his son, David, whose wife was Isabella Webster. David Cassie died April 1920, aged 84, Isabella Webster died January 1915, aged 75. Their son George Cassie bought the Backhill, 32 acres, and the neighbouring holdings of Basilhill, 40 acres, the croft of Corthiemoss, 7 acres, and Cowieshillock, 26 acres, from Colonel Garden Duff of Hatton. His wife Elizabeth Bruce, was born at Stephensburn, new Deer. A son Adam resdies at Hillhead, Ellon. Mr Cassie now aged 74, is a worthy son of a distinguished ancestry, he is a type of Scottish farmer that has brought credit to the industry. He is ably assisted by his daughter Margaret, and by his son and grandson, both named George.

This was published in 1952.

Superb amount of knowledge there! Thank you so much for sharing!!
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Friday 06 October 17 15:28 BST (UK)
   
This was published in 1952.

Did James Godsman write a book on other parts of the area besides King Edward? Would be very interested about families in Cuminestown / Monquhitter or New Deer and environs. Perhaps I should start a new thread?!

Thanks GR2!
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 06 October 17 17:10 BST (UK)
Perhaps I should start a new thread?!
Just be sure to include a link to any previous related thread  ;)
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: GR2 on Friday 06 October 17 19:37 BST (UK)
The three parishes James Godsman published books about are King Edward, Ellon and Glass.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Saturday 07 October 17 00:47 BST (UK)
Perhaps I should start a new thread?!
Just be sure to include a link to any previous related thread  ;)

Forfarian...I see you are researching LESLIE in Mortlach. Any connection to a Jane Leslie who married James Young ~ 1830? They lived in Aberchirder in 1834. Thats not too far from Mortlach. Jane may have had a father or a brother named Peter Leslie. Take care!
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Saturday 07 October 17 00:58 BST (UK)
The three parishes James Godsman published books about are King Edward, Ellon and Glass.

Any mention of surname Jaffray or Jeffrey that you recall? They were 3 generations of well known Pipers and Pipe makers from ~ 1750 - 1825, in and around Cuminestown, Monquhitter. They were also quite prolific. Agnes "Nanny" Jaffray (maiden name Drum ~1743-1836) married George Jaffray and  they supposedly had 17 sons and 3 daughters. That is, if you can believe the Inverness Courier of 25 September, 1833...... did they have "fake news" back then , too? ;-)
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 07 October 17 09:41 BST (UK)
Forfarian...I see you are researching LESLIE in Mortlach. Any connection to a Jane Leslie who married James Young ~ 1830? They lived in Aberchirder in 1834. Thats not too far from Mortlach. Jane may have had a father or a brother named Peter Leslie. Take care! 
I don't think so.

My great-great-grandmother was Jane Leslie, born 1 June 1814 at Newley, Mortlach, married John Burgess in Botriphnie on 1 April 1848, and died on 10 December 1885 at 31 Baker Street, Aberdeen. She had a brother William, very well-documented with a large legitimate family and one illegitimate daughter who had an even larger one, and a brother James, for whom I have a baptism on 20 January 1816, a sighting in the surviving fragment of the 1821 census in Mortlach, and then nothing more.   

Jane's parents were Thomas Leslie and Mary Stuart. Thomas was the son of James Leslie and Jean Spence, born about 1773/1774, died 16 January 1856 at South Toll House, Keith, where his son-in-law John Burgess was tollkeeper.

Thomas' baptism is not in the parish record, but seven siblings are, all born at Pittyvaich, Dufftown, Mortlach. His sister Dorothy, born 1771, died unmarried between 1841 and 1851. Sister Margaret, born 1776, died unmarried on 13 February 1865 at Newley, Mortlach. Brother John, born 1778, is believed to be the John Leslie who married Ann Grant in Mortlach on 6 December 1800 and probably died before 1854. I have nothing further on Alexander (1766), Elizabeth (1769), William (1779) or Helen (1781) after their baptisms. It is possible that one of them could have had a daughter Jane of an age to marry in about 1830.

I have only one Peter Leslie in my tree, from a different lot of Leslies, and born in 1825. He had a sister Jean, born 1813 in Rothes, about whom I have nothing after her baptism. She could be the one who married James Young, though I won't hold my breath - there are too many Leslies about.

I see that James Young and Jane Leslie had a son James, baptised in Marnoch on 2 March 1834, but have yet to find him in 1841, unless he is the six-year-old living in Gamrie with Peter Mitchel and his wife Margaret Young. He may be the 17-year-old farm servant at Culbuchly, Banff in 1851, but I have failed to find James sr or Jane in either census. Nor can I find Peter and Margaret in 1851.

What more do you know about James Young and Jane Leslie, and about their son James jr b 1834?
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Saturday 07 October 17 14:27 BST (UK)
You know about as much as I do. I have been unable to find a marriage for James and Jane Leslie, and I find no more children by them. Nor have I found births for either. Interestingly, I do find two children born to a William Young and a Jane Leslie in Marnoch around the same period. Perhaps a brother? He is living in Fordyce, so doubtful its just an error in the name. But strange that they both married Jane Leslies. The James Young born in 1834 I believe is my 4th great grandfather. He married Margaret Black 4th August, 1860, in Rathven.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 07 October 17 15:47 BST (UK)
You know about as much as I do. I have been unable to find a marriage for James and Jane Leslie, and I find no more children by them. Nor have I found births for either. Interestingly, I do find two children born to a William Young and a Jane Leslie in Marnoch around the same period. Perhaps a brother? He is living in Fordyce, so doubtful its just an error in the name. But strange that they both married Jane Leslies. The James Young born in 1834 I believe is my 4th great grandfather. He married Margaret Black 4th August, 1860, in Rathven.
I wonder if perhaps James b 1834 was illegitimate? It might be worth taking a look at the Marnoch kirk session records.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fordyce on Saturday 07 October 17 18:15 BST (UK)
Fogmoose, have we been in contact before?

I have notes on the family of William Young & Jane Leslie. It seems to me that the OPR for the baptism is incorrect - the father's name should be William but the clerk has mistakenly repeated the child's name James. If you check FreeREG, you'll see that a Peter Leslie was witness to both Peter and James. I'm persuaded - but then this is not my direct line back!

William's son James can be found in 1841 with his father and two older brothers Peter and Alexander as well as a David Young age 4 (maybe a third brother) at Durn Road, Fordyce parish. This James Young went on to marry Margaret Black 4 Aug 1860 in Rathven (the marriage registration confirms his parents as William Young & Jane Leslie) and they moved to Rathven where they settled and had family before moving on. His brother Peter Young married Elizabeth Black (I have her as Margaret Black's sister) - he died in 1913 in Garmouth.

The Black line possibly leads back via Helen Robertson wife of George Black to Margaret Robertson who is my 5xgtgdmother (marr 26 Jul 1726 Connage, Rathven to John Clark), hence my interest.

I also had an interest in William Young in the context of my 4xgtgdmother Ann Young whose birth has long proved elusive. I've never made any connection. Ann Young was recorded in 1841 age 83 born Banffshire, which is as likely as not true, although many claimed she was born in Gartly (Aberdeenshire).
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Saturday 07 October 17 21:37 BST (UK)
You know about as much as I do. I have been unable to find a marriage for James and Jane Leslie, and I find no more children by them. Nor have I found births for either. Interestingly, I do find two children born to a William Young and a Jane Leslie in Marnoch around the same period. Perhaps a brother? He is living in Fordyce, so doubtful its just an error in the name. But strange that they both married Jane Leslies. The James Young born in 1834 I believe is my 4th great grandfather. He married Margaret Black 4th August, 1860, in Rathven.
I wonder if perhaps James b 1834 was illegitimate? It might be worth taking a look at the Marnoch kirk session records.

See the next post by Fordyce for a possible answer.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Saturday 07 October 17 21:42 BST (UK)
Fogmoose, have we been in contact before?

I have notes on the family of William Young & Jane Leslie. It seems to me that the OPR for the baptism is incorrect - the father's name should be William but the clerk has mistakenly repeated the child's name James. If you check FreeREG, you'll see that a Peter Leslie was witness to both Peter and James. I'm persuaded - but then this is not my direct line back!

William's son James can be found in 1841 with his father and two older brothers Peter and Alexander as well as a David Young age 4 (maybe a third brother) at Durn Road, Fordyce parish. This James Young went on to marry Margaret Black 4 Aug 1860 in Rathven (the marriage registration confirms his parents as William Young & Jane Leslie) and they moved to Rathven where they settled and had family before moving on. His brother Peter Young married Elizabeth Black (I have her as Margaret Black's sister) - he died in 1913 in Garmouth.

The Black line possibly leads back via Helen Robertson wife of George Black to Margaret Robertson who is my 5xgtgdmother (marr 26 Jul 1726 Connage, Rathven to John Clark), hence my interest.

I also had an interest in William Young in the context of my 4xgtgdmother Ann Young whose birth has long proved elusive. I've never made any connection. Ann Young was recorded in 1841 age 83 born Banffshire, which is as likely as not true, although many claimed she was born in Gartly (Aberdeenshire).

I dont think we have, though I may have forgotten...I'm getting old!

If indeed we are connected on this line, which seems very possible, have you had a DNA test? I recently had mine done, I uploaded it to GEDMATCH. That would be a good way to verify if we are in fact distant cousins. PM me for further info.... Take care!
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 07 October 17 22:18 BST (UK)
See the next post by Fordyce for a possible answer.
Yes, I've seen it, thanks.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Andy Cassie on Wednesday 07 November 18 13:04 GMT (UK)
So you must be related to either Marion or Louise Scott. I am Andy Cassie son of John Cassie, Mary's brother. I live in Fetcham in Surrey England (age now 63) and I have an elder brother Ian who lives in Leamington Spa and an elder sister Juin who lives in Jo'burg in South Africa.
I have had a Cassie family tree done but only get back to William Cassie and Marjory Reid around 1735 so all the earlier stuff I have read about is interesting.
I think the last time I saw any of the Scotts was back in the early 70's and have lost contact totally with most of the other Cassie's of that era. I remember with great fondness my uncle Lewis (though I thought it was Louis), he was a very funny man who was very left wing in his politics, an Everton (football) supporter and had a magnificent trick with bank notes and Christmas puddings. Thats for a different time. Will look at the posts with interest.
I do remember my dad saying that I was related to a Capt Andrew Cassie who fought at Culluden in the Jacobite Rebellion - only thing is I'm unsure which side he was on.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Wednesday 07 November 18 13:27 GMT (UK)
Hey Andy,

Fantastic to see your post this morning!  I am one of Marion Scott's 4 sons. If you have no objections I will send you a private message so we can chat more.

I will also do some digging on the Captain Cassie you mentioned.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Andy Cassie on Wednesday 07 November 18 14:48 GMT (UK)
Please send a private email, it would be good to know what has happened on your side of the pond and whether you have heard anything from any of the other Cassie's.

Andy
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 07 November 18 14:52 GMT (UK)
I think you'll need to post once more to the forum before you can be contacted by private message.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: VelkyAl on Thursday 08 November 18 17:00 GMT (UK)
I think you'll need to post once more to the forum before you can be contacted by private message.

I was able to send a private message yesterday.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Ozzieyoungs on Friday 05 April 19 08:09 BST (UK)
hi ,not sure if your still on here or if we have spoken before.william young married janet leslie (jane )and had (to my knowledge )  4 sons and 1 daughter but im not to sure of the daughter yet.i have mary 1817 ,peter 1829,alexander 1831,james 1834 and david 1837.not sure if it was William that had a fling and another child as iv just started doing this again but it could have been Williams father james as I have a Patrick in my list that I never knew of. .I am from the peter side.william was my 3 x grandfather.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Friday 05 April 19 15:55 BST (UK)
Yes, I am still around...but been busy with other stuff. Great to meet you! I will send you a PM.
Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Friday 05 April 19 23:50 BST (UK)
hi ,not sure if your still on here or if we have spoken before.william young married janet leslie (jane )and had (to my knowledge )  4 sons and 1 daughter but im not to sure of the daughter yet.i have mary 1817 ,peter 1829,alexander 1831,james 1834 and david 1837.not sure if it was William that had a fling and another child as iv just started doing this again but it could have been Williams father james as I have a Patrick in my list that I never knew of. .I am from the peter side.william was my 3 x grandfather.

ozzieyoungs I tried to PM you but because you have not made three posts yet it wont go through...I would love to discuss our Young connection since it seems we are distant cousins! Please email me at (*)

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Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Ozzieyoungs on Tuesday 16 April 19 06:28 BST (UK)
hi Rich,sorry haven't been on for a while.william and janet where my 3 x great grand parents.my line came from their son peter whos son was also peter .then my grandpa james who came to Australia and went to a place called broken hill as a wee lad in around 1910.i have spoken to a lady in florida how is from the james or alexander side which is one of Williams and janets other sons.iv done part of my tree through ancestry but it takes a lot of time so im doing a trip to Scotland next year with one of my sons and my nephew for a few weeks and spending 4-5 days going to the grave sites I have so I mite be able to get more info off of them.your more than welcome to contact me at(*) as for some reason I cant do a direct chat with you from here.hope to chat soon.wes](*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
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Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Fogmoose on Tuesday 16 April 19 15:45 BST (UK)
hi Rich,sorry haven't been on for a while.william and janet where my 3 x great grand parents.my line came from their son peter whos son was also peter .then my grandpa james who came to Australia and went to a place called broken hill as a wee lad in around 1910.i have spoken to a lady in florida how is from the james or alexander side which is one of Williams and janets other sons.iv done part of my tree through ancestry but it takes a lot of time so im doing a trip to Scotland next year with one of my sons and my nephew for a few weeks and spending 4-5 days going to the grave sites I have so I mite be able to get more info off of them.your more than welcome to contact me at(*) as for some reason I cant do a direct chat with you from here.hope to chat soon.wes](*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
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Wes, just make one more post...like a reply to this message...and then we can Private Message and exchange emails.  this board prohibits exchanging emails in public. Looking forward to speaking with you further!

Title: Re: Cassie of Monquhitter
Post by: Ozzieyoungs on Thursday 18 April 19 23:11 BST (UK)
Ah ok.