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Title: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: frances-b on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:38 BST (UK)
I’m have been looking for the birth records for the 12 :o children of William and Tryphena Green, whose marriage is registered in Abingdon RD 1875 Q3.  They appear on the 1881 to 1911 censuses for Oxfordshire where all but their eldest child were born. 

It appears that in 1911 all 12 children were surviving and I have found birth registration records for ten of them.  However I’m at a dead end with two “problem” children.

Ismay appears on the 1901 census, her birthplace is Headington and she is aged 6 years, apparently the same age as her sister Maud (registered Headington RD 1895 Q2 vol 3A page 852).  There is no Green child registered at the same time as Maud so it doesn’t appear they are twins. 

I’ve tried searching as Ismay and Esme in both Oxfordshire and Berkshire in the years between her immediate siblings but cannot track her down.  She is not with the family in 1911 and I can’t find her (or anyone who might be her) anywhere else either.

Florence also appears on the 1901 census with a birthplace of Headington and she is aged 8 months  (so born around August 1900); she is also on the 1911, aged 10.  Again, I cannot find a birth record for her.

I’d appreciate another set of brain cells having a think about where I can find these two sisters.

Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:45 BST (UK)
Is this one you already know about (or not your family)

GREEN, GEORGINA       mmn TUCK     
1900  Sept Quarter in OF HEADINGTON  Volume 03A  Page 955
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:46 BST (UK)
have you tried using the birth search at www.gro.gov.uk or are you using freebmd?
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: Jebber on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:54 BST (UK)
The age is out, but is this a possibility?

GREEN, EBNEY  DOROTHY  
TUCK  
 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 880
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 09 August 17 17:59 BST (UK)
Ismay  though the age is wrong :-\

GREEN, ISABELLA  MAY     mmn TUCK     
1898  March Quarter
HEADINGTON  Volume 03A  Page 879


Ignore that as probably May age 3 in 1901
 
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 09 August 17 18:31 BST (UK)
1911 index shows Esme  Green b 1893 Wolvercot.
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 09 August 17 19:26 BST (UK)
Baptized 10 Jul 1892....

Edith Mary b. 29 May 1890

Ismay Dorothy b. 27 Apr 1892

Daughters of William and Tryphena Green; William a Laborer; abode Wolvercote

Parish of Wolvercote Oxford

So it looks like Ismay's age was recorded incorrectly in the census.

PB
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 09 August 17 19:35 BST (UK)
Baptized 07 Oct 1900....

Georgina Florence Green b. 09 Aug 1900

Parents William and Tryphena of High St Headington; William a Laborer

Parish of Headington Oxford

PB
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: frances-b on Wednesday 09 August 17 19:42 BST (UK)
Is this one you already know about (or not your family)

GREEN, GEORGINA       mmn TUCK     
1900  Sept Quarter in OF HEADINGTON  Volume 03A  Page 955
I found this one but had disregarded it (right surname/year/quarter/RD, wrong forename), however, mmn TUCK is correct ;D.  Perhaps this is the elusive Florence ???
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: frances-b on Wednesday 09 August 17 19:46 BST (UK)
have you tried using the birth search at www.gro.gov.uk or are you using freebmd?
I haven't tried the birth search; I think I'll have to investigate.  I've been using The Genealogist and freebmd.
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: frances-b on Wednesday 09 August 17 20:16 BST (UK)
Baptized 10 Jul 1892....

Edith Mary b. 29 May 1890

Ismay Dorothy b. 27 Apr 1892

Daughters of William and Tryphena Green; William a Laborer; abode Wolvercote

Parish of Wolvercote Oxford

So it looks like Ismay's age was recorded incorrectly in the census.

PB

Edith Mary's birth is registered as Edith Louisa (Headington RD, 1890 Q3) ::) but it is the same person.

I thought the year could be wrong when I couldn't find her as a twin to Maud.  It looks as though Jebber may have found her registered as Ebney Dorothy - right mmn, although why she was registered in Woodstock is a puzzle ???.

Baptized 07 Oct 1900....

Georgina Florence Green b. 09 Aug 1900

Parents William and Tryphena of High St Headington; William a Laborer

Parish of Headington Oxford

PB

Her birth is registered as just Georgina (Headington RD, 1900 Q3) ::).

Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: frances-b on Wednesday 09 August 17 20:24 BST (UK)
Many thanks to you all for helping with this :). 

I had thought that with a couple of fairly unusual names these two would be easy to find but I hadn't banked on their parents switching and dropping names (although I suppose by the time they got to Dorothy Florence - the last of the 12 - they may have been losing the plot ;D).

I suppose some people just don't want to be found 8).
Title: Re: Ismay and Florence GREEN missing birth records
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 09 August 17 20:54 BST (UK)
The family is living in Wolvercote in 1892. It is in Woodstock Registration District.

PB