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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: rkrtx63 on Monday 14 August 17 00:38 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
So I'm my 4G Grandmother is Mary Burt was married to George Love. I'm hoping to find her parents, and the parents of George Love too.
Here is what I Know....
Mary Bird married George Love in Airth, Stirlingshire in 25 May 1803
Born to Mart Burt and George Love....
Son David born in Dunfermline, Fife in 18 Nov 1803
Dau. Mary born in Stirling, Stirlingshire in 10 May 1807
Son Francis born in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire in 12 Jul 1813
Son George born in Dundonald, Ayrshire in 29 Dec 1816.....not sure about this one, think he passed young, or possibly wrong family.
Son George born in New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire in 21 May 1820
Son Robert born in New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire in 12 Jul 1824
The census records are slim for Mary and George. I find no mention of George at all and think he died before 1841. There are several church records for a George Love passing before 1841 but details are slim. George worked as a Coal Miner as were all the sons. The daughter Mary married Archibald McDonald who was also a Coal Miner.
One possible census entry for Mary Burt shows her living in Glasgow's Towns Hospital aged 55. Some of the children were living in the Glasgow area by the mid 1830's so its possible the mother went also.
I did find her death record. She died in the Govan poorhouse in Lanarkshire in 15 Feb 1861. It lists her as the widow of George Love, Coal Miner, and her parents as Andrew Burt, Coal Miner (deceased) and Mary Burt M.S. Campbell (deceased). it lists her age as 80 so she was born around 1781. I have also checked with the Mitchell Library and was informed that records for the Govan Poorhouse prior to 1876 have not survived. I found no records on SP for a Mary born to an Andrew Burt so her parents names may not be correct. I posted if the Fife forum because I believe a lot of the Burt family came from or close by.
Anyone researching this line?
Regards,
Ronnie
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Hi Ronnie,
I know this is a late reply but researching Mary Burt As She’s my 4x g grandmother as well. I found an Andrew Burt married to a Mary Campbell Reed in Fife, Although it shows only a Mary Campbell on Mary Burt/ Love’s death certificate.
I wondered if you’d solved the puzzle?
Kind regards
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Hi,
Was having a look at your request and read thru' it but found it a little misleading such as you say your 4x Grannie is Mary Burt, hence Mary Bird......married to George Love in Stirlingshire, 1803; then family being born in Dunfermline...1803. Then Stirling...1807. Then Monkland...1813. Then Dundonald...1816, but not sure about this one. Then New Kilpatrick......1820 and 1824.
Now in all due respect, in the very early 18oo's people did move around, but not too frequently as large expanses of undeveloped Scottish roads did not cater safely for large growing families. And the husband possibly being a Coal Hewer or Miner would have worked in one Town a good part of his life; as Miners or Farming Communities did in these days.
I'm of the opinion you do not live in Scotland or, no fault of your own, know little of the ''Good old Days'' in, Shall I say old Bonnie Scotland......Have a rethink of what I have writ or give me some true details and I will definitely give you help in tracing your Ancestors.....The name Burt is known in Kirkcaldy in Fife in the days you mention............................Ron.
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Ron, the children's details for George Love and wife Mary Burt show in the OPRs on Scotlands People as showing above.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
I got your reply and double checked what you had found on Scotlands People and most panned out as you said.......I'll run thru' what I found too.
Rightly so George was a Coal Hewer as it mentioned in the birth details of his children.....David was named under George Love and Mary Burt, in Mary's case she was named under her mums name of ''BIRD''.......may be a clerical error or factual....I'll let you decide......The first GEORGE was born Dec 1816 and Baptized 23rd Feb. 1817. Although no death details are available for him I'm pretty sure he passed away prior to 1820 for a second son to be named GEORGE, anyway this was the given habit away back then....Robert was correct as you said and all seems well.
I did notice another birth mentioned on 7th June for Susanna, parents being John Love and wife Susanna. Probably brothers at the least. This was on the same doc's as Mary............
I did ascertain that George was a Coal Hewer, miner to you and me, and would have been a journeyman of sorts, but unusual, when digging up facts on our ancestors occupations......all these facts I know you are very familiar with. Just to finish, there were a Burt's Steamship Booking Company in Kirkcaldy way back in the early 1900's which subsequently became an ''upmarket'' book-store and closed I'm sure about 30 years ago.
Two Burt's come to mind from here in Kirkcaldy, George Burt died in Rio de Janeiro in South America on the 10 March 1868. Another Thomas Blair Burt accidently drowned on the 29th Dec. 1875; there seem to be quite a few recorded deaths and burials of them in Kirkcaldy, Fife.
If there is anything else Monica you wish help with, just get in touch.............................Ron.
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I am born and bred in Scotland- my 4x g grandfather was George Love & his wife was Mary Burt- who died in Govan poorhouse. I’m a descendant from their son Robert!
My initial question was-on Mary’s deaths certificate, her mother was listed as Mary Campbell & I was wondering if she was the same as a Mary Campbell Reed married to an Andrew Burt in Fife.
Moreover, I am familiar with miners & the movement for jobs & I come from a family of miners.
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Thank you for the offer, Ron :) Lots of info there for sure. Like you though, just trying to help out with searches on these lines.
Welcome to RootsChat, Oliviasophie :) Certainly a possibility that the name of Reed was left off Mary's death reg by the informant :-\ There are a few birth showing for the children of an Andrew Burt and Mary Reid:
Robert chr. 29 June 1780 Dunfermline Associate Session, Dunfermline Fife
Robert b. 18 August 1783 and chr. 20 August 1783 Torryburn Fife
Can't see anything for Mary. Some entries on the registers only have father entered.
Monica
Added: Marriage or Banns for this couple show on 19 Dec 1769 at Dunfermline Associate Session, Dunfermline, Fife
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for the welcome & I agree that the ‘Reed’ was possibly left off her death certificate. I just wondered if anyone had something different.
That’s good though because in the Fife ‘Burts’ I can go back to 1500s. I just wanted clarification about the Campbell Reed link.
Kind regards
Olivia.
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Olivia, I see that there are a number of family trees for the Burt/Reid side. A few other children showing for them. I wonder if any of them who died post 1855 showed Mary Campbell Reid for their mother on their death certs?
For the Love/Burt children, could a family name show up as a sponsor at the christening of their children? The family moved a bit, so this can complicate family being around to act as sponsors.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
That’s a brilliant idea re children. I shall go and look. I should have thought about that myself but I’ve been focussing on the Reed/Reid.
I shall return when I find out!
Thanks again
Olivia 😊
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Always good to get fresh ideas..helps us all!
How have you got on with George Love?
Possible family for him headed up by a David Love and Janet Whyte who had a George Love c. 1777. His brother Francis and wife Margaret Blair were having children in Airth, Stirlingshire in the late 1790s at least. This is where the marriage for George Blair and Mary Burt took place in 1803. The names of David and Francis were early used names for George and Mary weren't they?
See a possible family tree here www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:99Z5-BMJ
Monica
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From A/try family trees, one tree states that on David Love and Janet Whyte's marriage (10 Nov 1769 Clackmannan from Scotlands People), he is showing as a coal heaver at Westfields and Kennet, Clackmannashire. Would fit well with George's occupation. So, a possibility that George's family were also miners...as is often the case.
Monica
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Thanks very much Monica- I’ve got only as far back as George Love Born 1767 & Married to Agnes Bell. That’s where it stopped!
You have given me a wealth of information to peruse- I’m so glad I posted. I know the name Frances/ Francis does go down through the families - so on the right track.
Olivia.
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Monica- I think it’s the same George Love- Although I had him circa 1767.
Much appreciated 😊
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George first son was David obviously named after paternal grandfather. A second son called Francis- so I think David Love is George’s father
Olivia
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Certainly looks good for George's family. Hopefully you may find something that helps you verify.
Added: Some additional online family trees here www.thetreeofus.net/6/166800.htm
Monica
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Hi,
Just to add in reference to the passing of Mary Burt in 1861 in the surrounding walls of the Poor-House wasn't much fun and the Doctors weren't in their ascendency in the dizzy heights of medicine; where their death certificates read....Mary Burt died from Bed Sores and Gradual Decay..
I'm 73 but thank god I have no bed sores...Yet!!
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Poor Mary...sad ending for sure.
As for you Ron, you are still I hope healthy and fit, so keep moving ;)
Monica
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Hello All,
This is Ronnie, the original starter of this thread. Not to be confused with Ron, who also posted on this thread.
Thanks to everyone for your replies, lots of good ideas being shared. I'll try to go thru a few thoughts ...
I have been leaning toward David Love and Janet Whyte as the parents of George so its nice to see you had the same idea.
As far as Mary Burts' parents, I have made no progress other than Mary's death cert. I believe the informant was an official at the work house so more than likely they did not know all the correct information. And sad to say its hard to tell what her state of mind was when she entered the workhouse.
Oliviasophie...I am descended from George and Mary's son Francis. I see you are descended from Robert, who I believe married Susan Campbell if I have that correctly. Robert's son , also a Francis, came to America, and stayed in the same community as his cousins. Our tree seems to be crawling with Georges, Roberts, and Francis. Most all were still coal miners even here in America for several generations. I have a tree on Ancestry but not as complete as my home computer. And I have some old photos that have been passed down from my Grandmother. I would love to get your email and share information if you like?
Kind Regards,
Ronnie
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Hi Ronnie,
That’s correct Robert married Susan Campbell & im From their daughter Elizabeth Wood Love. She died aged 21, days after giving birth to my g randmother. There are loads of Francis, Georges Etc - you’re correct- that’s why leaning toward David Love as he has a Francis too.
How can I send my email!?
Kind regards
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How can I send my email!?
Click on the wee icon below Ronnie's username that looks like a head and shoulders to send him a PM (Personal Message).
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Olivia,
I sent you a PM