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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: Gerryk on Monday 14 August 17 23:41 BST (UK)
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Wed Margaret Fagan in Athboy, 25 Oct 1849.
Daughter Maria baptised 7 Oct 1851 in Delvin.
13 years later, daughter Margaret born in Kells, 26 Sep 1864.
3 years later, son Michael baptised 30 Aug 1867 in Multyfarnham.
Wife Margaret, widow, Postmistress in Ballinalack, 1901.
Athboy, Delvin, Kells, Multy. But, a gap of 13 years...?
His granddaughter, now deceased, attested to the kinship of the three children.
Any ideas?
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He was a Constable. Michael's birth cert is here:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
MICHAEL FLYNN
Date of Birth 1867
Group Registration ID 7379421
SR District/Reg Area Mullingar
Debra :)
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Debra,
Thank you so much for that work. I was unaware of that web site. You're great.
Gerry.
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James Flynn born 1st Sep 1864 Ballinalack to John Flynn,police constable, and Margaret Fagan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329462.pdf
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Daithi,
Thank you so much. I never even knew of his existence. John Flynn was my grandmothers grandfather!
Gerry.
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Dates don't make sense?
... 13 years later, daughter Margaret born in Kells, 26 Sep 1864.
... His granddaughter, now deceased, attested to the kinship of the three children.
then
James Flynn born 1st Sep 1864 Ballinalack to John Flynn,police constable, and Margaret Fagan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03604/2329462.pdf
Hardly likely that same woman gave birth to a son on 1st September then a daughter 25 days later :o
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Yes I noted that. A lot more research to be done. I need to get know the web site. Those records are extraordinarily clear. Is it possible to do a generic search on it?
Gerry
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The information I had was that John Flynn wed Margaret Fagan in Athboy in 1849, and that my grandmother's mother was born of their union in 1851. I'll have to revisit all that. Could be a different couple.
Ballinalack is the one certainty. Margaret Flynn, widow, was Postmistress there, aged 78, in the 1901 census. I know for certain she was my grandmother's grandmother. So, with John as Constable in the same small village, the search must begin there.
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Yes I noted that. A lot more research to be done. I need to get know the web site. Those records are extraordinarily clear. Is it possible to do a generic search on it?
Gerry
Not sure what you mean by 'generic.' You can search by just surname (and use wildcards), first name, dates, registration district, etc. For that period you will not be able to search for just father's and mother's surnames to find children.
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I tried that, with wild card forename. Got no results. But could be my error.
Maybe they were married in Multy......
Sadly, life is intervening. I'll get back to this later. Thanks again for all your help. Two good sites - rootschat and Irish genealogy.
Gerry.
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Civil registration of Catholic marriages didn't start until 1864 so there won't be a marriage certificate. You need to look at church registers-
http://registers.nli.ie/
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Thanks. When did civil registration of births begin?
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Registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages).
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You probably already have all this but it might help others trying to help you.
Lot of RIC men in the family.
Margaret with grand daughter Emily in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Ballinalack/Ballinalock/1783946/
by 1911 Emily is married to Richard Freeney RIC.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Ballinalack/Ballinalack_town/886642/
marriage 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10284/5743226.pdf
Emily/Ameila is the daughter of Maria Flynn and Martin Kennedy RIC
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02940/2077410.pdf
Martin and Maria in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Multyfarnham/Multyfarnham_Village/1784138/
Maria is 48 so born c 1852, which fits with the Delvin Baptism.
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Thanks for all that. I had most of it. But it took me two weeks or more to get it!
Also, Richard Feeney was in the station in Ballinalack in 1901 (R.F.). No wonder his eye fell on the postmistress's granddaughter. Small village. And now we know her grandfather had been in the same station (probably died in either 1897 or 1899).
The enigma is Maria, and now her sister Margaret. I think Maria was married in Longwood, Meath (Killyon) in 1873 (Jun 6). But why there?
Where was Margaret born, if not in Kells? I might try Delvin for her as well.
The other discovery has been other siblings, Edward (1852), but in Ballinalack, also Catherine (1856), Thomas (1860, maybe but mother's name was given as Mary), and James (1864).
The big discovery in this thread has been the discovery of the excellent records on Genealogy, which revealed John was a Constable.
I would like to follow up his RIC records, but I am hitting a blank wall with that. Any suggestions or directions?
If John Flynn wed in Athboy in 1849, he could have been assigned to Delvin, either before or after that, and then transferred to Ballinalack sometime after the birth of Maria and before that of Edward. But then, where was Margaret born?
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Oops. Edward was born in Delvin in 1852. My bad. Gives a few years for Margaret's birth though. Given that history has recorded her as being born in 1864, maybe a rounded 1954 would be a good guess!
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One possibility:
Catherine is Margaret. In the original register, the previous baptism was a Cathr also. Could have been a sleepy priest?
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I think Maria was married in Longwood, Meath (Killyon) in 1873 (Jun 6). But why there?
Perhaps she was working there but often at that period no occupation would be listed for bride. Church register online-
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635226#page/3/mode/1up
Oops. Edward was born in Delvin in 1852. My bad. Gives a few years for Margaret's birth though. Given that history has recorded her as being born in 1864, maybe a rounded 1954 would be a good guess!
It's possible that Margaret was born shortly before 1864 which is why it's important to thoroughly check church registers for baptisms, etc.
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I think I found John Flynn's RIC record. (findmypast.ie). He had Service No 2856, enlisted at the age of 20, from Galway, on 15th July, 1837. He was assigned to Westmeath. He was promoted to Constable on 1st August 1847. He retired on 1st June 1868. He also married, with permission, a woman from Meath.
However, while we think at the moment they were married in 1849, the permission was only given in 1850. Would this ever have been retrospective, or have I the wrong guy? All other details seem to fit.