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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: hilarykellis on Tuesday 15 August 17 16:04 BST (UK)
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In the 1851 census, my ancestor says she was born about 1762 in Wickham, Buckinghamshire.
I am guessing this is Wycombe? But it seems there is a High Wycombe and a West Wycombe - which one would she be referring to?
Her maiden name was Ann Truss and she married Richard Hayes on 4 Oct 1801 in Shipbourne, Kent. However, that would put her at 39 when she married and she continued to have children through 1812, so I don't know how likely it was that a 50 year old woman had a baby.
Her husband is 100 years old in the census in 1851 (Shipborne). She is 88. In 1841 she is 75, which makes a bit more sense, but I know the census takers approximated the age.
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According to Wikipedia, High Wycombe is often referred to just as Wycombe.
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West Wycombe, was a few miles west from High Wycombe, on the Oxford Road(A40), but pretty much joined up now. There was also Chepping Wycombe, which was on the(A40), London side of High Wycombe.
West Wycombe is distinctly divided from Wycombe/High Wycombe, and has it's own church(St Lawrence). Principaly, it was part of the dashwood Estate.
West Wycombe would also include Downley.
Check on Google maps, and all will be clearer.
Steve. :)
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I've checked the PRs for both High Wycombe and West Wycombe and there are no Truss baptisms in either. Of course, she may not have been baptised, or her family may have been nonconformist - which doesn't help, I know!
There is a Wickham in Berks, near Newbury, but if the census return definitely says Bucks...
Just to throw another red herring into the equation - there are lots of Trusses in Great Marlow, Bucks which is not that far from either of the Wycombes. I have Trusses from GM in my tree, which is why your post caught my eye.
One more thought occurs to me. Are you sure Truss is her maiden name? If she didn't marry Richard Hayes until she was 39, it seems likely that she may have been married previously. Could Truss have been her first married name?
Jill
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One other thing.....just becuase she is noted as from Wickham/Wycombe....does not mean she was actually from there.
It is entirely possible she was born near there.....and just gave Wickham as her general p.o.b.
Think about it......e.g..If she had said...'I'm from Downley'. Would you ask....'Where is that'. .....'Oh, it's near Wycombe', she may reply.
So, a baptism search is on the cards, I would think. She may well be from High Wycome/Wycombe, but don't take that for granted.
http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php/research/36-requested-searches/21-baptisms-searches
Steve. :)
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For what its worth, there is a baptism for an Ann Truss in Great Marlow (about 5 miles from High Wycombe) on 25 Nov 1770, daughter of Charles and Susannah. If I get chance later, I'll double check that she didn't die young.
Jill
ADDED: would you Adam & Eve it - she was buried 16 Dec 1770. Back to the drawing board!!
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I think a marriage, and baptism search maybe necessary.
Have you seen the original marriage details/image for her marriage to Richard Hayes.?
Do not take online transcriptions as a certainty, because in general, they will not give the status of the the individual whether widowed or single.
Detailed PR's, are better from source.
Steve. :)
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I think a marriage, and baptism search maybe necessary.
Have you seen the original marriage details/image for her marriage to Richard Hayes.?
Do not take online transcriptions as a certainty, because in general, they will not give the status of the the individual whether widowed or single.
Detailed PR's, are better from source.
Steve. :)
Hi Steve,
No I haven't seen it - I am in the States and all I can find online are transcriptions, having well overspent my budget already on subscriptions and orders for various records. I think that is an interesting theory that she could have been a widow.
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For what its worth, there is a baptism for an Ann Truss in Great Marlow (about 5 miles from High Wycombe) on 25 Nov 1770, daughter of Charles and Susannah. If I get chance later, I'll double check that she didn't die young.
Jill
ADDED: would you Adam & Eve it - she was buried 16 Dec 1770. Back to the drawing board!!
Ah, that's too bad this was not her, as my Ann Truss did have a daughter baptised named Susan and the name doesn't come from her husband's side as far as I can tell.
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For what its worth, there is a baptism for an Ann Truss in Great Marlow (about 5 miles from High Wycombe) on 25 Nov 1770, daughter of Charles and Susannah. If I get chance later, I'll double check that she didn't die young.
Jill
ADDED: would you Adam & Eve it - she was buried 16 Dec 1770. Back to the drawing board!!
I also see another Ann Truss baptised in 1772 to the same couple, but there is also an Ann Truss who marries John MOODY in 1795 in Great Marlow, so probably that is the same person, as 1772 is a bit late anyway.
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I would advise a search from BucksFHS. Whether, burial, baptism or marriage for Ann Truss, if indeed that is her maiden name.
Burials will be important, as that will eliminate false leads.
There is a token payment of £1 for each search, for a 100 year period of an individual in Buckinghamshire. So for £3, you will get what you possibly need.
BucksFHS will always give whatever informaton is in the Parish Register, for any event. They do not hold any information for marriages that occured in Registry Offices, only Church events.
In my case, after 1838, I could have saved a fortune on marriage certs, if I had gone to BucksFHS first. £1 search, instead of just over £9 per cert. Same info as a cert.
I'm sorry to sound like a salesman. ;D
Good luck, and good hunting.
Steve. :)
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This thread caught my eye due to discussion of West Wycombe. I have traced family back to a Thomas (1786-1836) and Hannah Tanner (1790-1860) from West Wycombe.
- 1841 and 1851 census shows Hannah's place of birth as West Wycombe.
- FamilySearch index of England marriages shows a Thomas Tanner marrying Hannah Hawes in West Wycombe on 24 Aug 1807.
- Various family trees on Ancestry.com show Hannah Hawes descended from the Wheeler family - multiple generations of Wheelers going back to late 1600s, all with places of birth given as West Wycombe.
I am keen to get better certainty of Hannah being descended from the Wheelers, but not certain what is the best source to turn to. Would appreciate any thoughts on best place to start.
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This thread caught my eye due to discussion of West Wycombe. I have traced family back to a Thomas (1786-1836) and Hannah Tanner (1790-1860) from West Wycombe.
- 1841 and 1851 census shows Hannah's place of birth as West Wycombe.
- FamilySearch index of England marriages shows a Thomas Tanner marrying Hannah Hawes in West Wycombe on 24 Aug 1807.
- Various family trees on Ancestry.com show Hannah Hawes descended from the Wheeler family - multiple generations of Wheelers going back to late 1600s, all with places of birth given as West Wycombe.
I am keen to get better certainty of Hannah being descended from the Wheelers, but not certain what is the best source to turn to. Would appreciate any thoughts on best place to start.
From a personal perspective, you may be better off doing your own thread. This way, any answers given will not be entwined in anothers research.
As for other peoples trees. Only use them as guidance, as many may have the same errors. It pays to do your own research, and satisfy your self. There are no short cuts to be had, if you want the right answers.
You are looking for Wheelers and Tanners, not the name of Truss. Location is one thing, names are another. ;D
Steve. :)
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As for other peoples trees. Only use them as guidance, as many may have the same errors. It pays to do your own research, and satisfy your self. There are no short cuts to be had, if you want the right answers.
Spot on - I've seen some strange trees on Ancestry - including someone who apparently went from England to America in 1850s, then came back to England in time to appear in 1861 census. Quite some travelling for a lacemaker with 8 children!