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On 10th December 1862 the “Golden City” sailed from Queenstown for Australia with the following family on board. They arrived in Queensland Australia on 9th March 1863, before moving to NSW seven years later.
Thomas Annesley WATSON, aged 38
Anne WATSON, aged 29 (appears as Annie on subsequent Australian documents)
Henry WATSON, aged 11
Margaret WATSON, aged 9
Thomas WATSON, aged 6
Mary WATSON, aged 4
Ansley WATSON, Infant
Thomas Annesley WATSON’s death certificate states his place of birth as Limerick, Ireland, and his place of marriage as County Clare. His parents are stated to be Benjamin WATSON & Mary Ann ANNESLEY.
Many years ago a transcription of the marriage of Thomas WATSON, (father Benjamin WATSON) was obtained through an Irish Genealogist. This gives the name of his wife as Honora HALLORAN, (father Lot HALLORAN. The marriage took place in Feakle, County Clare on 26th February, 1849.
Annie Watson’s NSW death certificate has her father listed as Lancelot O’Halloran.
One other thing that we know is that Thomas Annesley WATSON had a brother Benjamin George WATSON, who migrated to Victoria. He married in Victoria in 1861 and died aged 53 in 1881.
With the resources we have access to, we’ve been unable to find any more records online about the Watson family or the O’Halloran family back in Ireland, such as births or baptisms of the parents or the children, and we would be extremely grateful if anyone could help out in any way with suggestions or information.
Dee :)
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Many years ago a transcription of the marriage of Thomas WATSON, (father Benjamin WATSON) was obtained through an Irish Genealogist. This gives the name of his wife as Honora HALLORAN, (father Lot HALLORAN. The marriage took place in Feakle, County Clare on 26th February, 1849.
These are the R.C. Parish registers online for Feackle Parish but unfortunately they only start in the 1860s- http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0784
Can't see earlier ones listed-
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0784&parish=Feakle
Since the marriage is in the civil indexes then it was either in a non-Catholic church or Registry Office. The marriage certificate will give more details such as residence of bride and groom, father's names & occupations, names of witnesses and of course where the marriage took place.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG63-R13
There seem to be quite a few Lot(t) Hallorans in Clare so you'll need to be careful not to trace the wrong family.
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Thanks, aghadowy.
They were not married in a RC Church.
The certificate I have in front of me reads
1849 Marriage solemnised at Feakle in the Church of Feakle in the County Clare.
February 26th 1849
Thomas Watson Full age Bachelor Farmer Ballyvarron (?) Benjamin Watson Farmer
Honora Halloran 20 years Spinster Annoghinthis Parish Lot Halloran Farmer
Married in the Church of Feakle according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and ??????
Witnesses : Michael Slattery and Pat Conway.
Minister: John Kin?????
I also know that according to Thomas's death certificate, his mother was Mary Ann Annesley, and on Annie's death certificate it names her mother as Annie Butler.
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I mentioned the R.C. registers since it's quite likely that Hanora Halloran was Catholic.
There are 2 possible Limerick deaths for Anne Watson (assuming she died in Limerick after 1864) but the certificates can't be viewed online yet. Hopefully it won't be too long before all images are online.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
This is the Will extract for one of those Anne Watsons- born c1801:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014900/005014900_00458.pdf
and this looks like the other one- Anne Matilda Watson also born c1801:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014891/005014891_00761.pdf
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Hi dee
Could Ballyvarron be Ballyvaughan?
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Could Ballyvarron be Ballyvaughan?
There's not a townland of Ballyvaughan in Co. Clare (just 2 in Tipperary).
1849 Marriage solemnised at Feakle in the Church of Feakle in the County Clare.
February 26th 1849
Thomas Watson Full age Bachelor Farmer Ballyvarron (?) Benjamin Watson Farmer
Honora Halloran 20 years Spinster Annoghinthis Parish Lot Halloran Farmer
Can't see anything close to 'Annoghinthis' yet :-\
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http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/ballyvaughan.htm
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Could it say Annogh in this parish
Maybe one of the Annagh townlands there are four on the OSI.
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Ballyvohane
Ballyvonnavaun
They are in Clare but should his address be in Limerick...
Ballyvarra perhaps
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Sean Ruad only listed the 2 Ballyvaughan townlands I mentioned earlier.
Perhaps Thomas Watson was living in Clare when he married?
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Could it say Annogh in this parish
Maybe one of the Annagh townlands there are four on the OSI.
It could. It is written as one word with parish underneath.
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Sean Ruad only listed the 2 Ballyvaughan townlands I mentioned earlier.
Perhaps Thomas Watson was living in Clare when he married?
Ballyvarron was his residence at the time of the marriage. His NSW death certificate says he was born in Limerick.
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I mentioned the R.C. registers since it's quite likely that Hanora Halloran was Catholic.
There are 2 possible Limerick deaths for Anne Watson (assuming she died in Limerick after 1864) but the certificates can't be viewed online yet. Hopefully it won't be too long before all images are online.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
I'll check from time to time, agahadowey.
This is the Will extract for one of those Anne Watsons- born c1801:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014900/005014900_00458.pdf
and this looks like the other one- Anne Matilda Watson also born c1801:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014891/005014891_00761.pdf
Thank you for those will links. I have saved them in the hope that one might be relevant.
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Thanks, agahadowey, Sinann, and Glen.
I appreciate you trying to help me with this. :)
Irish records are a challenge for me.
Dee :)
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Could it say Annogh in this parish
Maybe one of the Annagh townlands there are four on the OSI.
It could. It is written as one word with parish underneath.
There is an Annagh in Feakle Civil/ COI Parish.
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=2725&county=Clare&civilparish=Feakle&CountyMap=
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Thanks, Sinann.
The links that are being posted are very interesting.
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Hello, I am trying to find out more about the family that includes Thomas Annesley Watson 1823-1879, and his wife, Annie Halloran 1830-1899, who came to Australia on the Golden City sailing December 1862. Their children included Henry, Thomas, Annesley (or Ansley) and later Ringrose, as per deeiluka's post 16 August 2017 (I see that I am a bit late coming on board here).
If anyone can assist, my main points of interest are:
1) Whether this Thomas Annesley Watson was related to George Watson 1783-1835 who married Frances O'Sullivan and who was the son of Felthan Watson 1744-1790 and Anastasia Drew 1740-
both families seem to have used similar given names eg Ringrose Drew.
2) Whether Thomas Annesley Watson 1823-1879 was related to a John Watson 1818-1850 who married Sarah Bakewell Astley 1820-1896. They had a daughter, Rebecca Hannah Watson 1844-1912 (and I think John's widow and children emigrated to Australia).
I think John Watson resided in Lanackshire, Scotland. Thomas Annesley came from Limerick Ireland, but at least one family tree places him in Lanackshire in the 1850's.
I have many Irish and Scottish relatives including matches to the O'Brien and Watson family. I am trying to work out the connection, and which side is the one.
Thank you for any help. Best wishes to all.
Mez
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Could it say Annogh in this parish
Maybe one of the Annagh townlands there are four on the OSI.
It could. It is written as one word with parish underneath.
Here's the marriage record.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09378/5396531.pdf
Hanora Halloran's residence says 'Annagh in this parish'
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/tulla-upper/feakle/coolreagh/annagh/
Thomas Watson's residence was Ballyvannan in Tomgraney civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/tulla-upper/tomgraney/caherhurley/ballyvannan/
KG
Edited to Add:
Welcome to RootsChat, MezOz :)
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Just to add as a speculative punt, I wondered about the following marriage of a David Sommerville in Limerick (city) in November 1856, the point being that his bride Margaret Watson (note: age = minor) was the daughter of 'Benjamin Ansley Watson':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09512/5447773.pdf
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Just to add as a speculative punt, I wondered about the following marriage of a David Sommerville in Limerick (city) in November 1856, the point being that his bride Margaret Watson (note: age = minor) was the daughter of 'Benjamin Ansley Watson':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09512/5447773.pdf
Further to the above, this from the Clare Journal of 10 November 1856:
At St. Michael's Church, Limerick, David Ashworth Somerville, Esq., of Ballincollig, to Margaret Everina, only daughter of the late Benjamin Annesley Watson, Esq., of Caherhurley.
Caherhurly: https://www.townlands.ie/clare/tulla-upper/kilnoe/caherhurley/caherhurly/
(The Tithe Applotment Books showed a Ben Watson in Caherhurley, the year was 1827.)
The NAI webiste shows a Prerogative Court Will index entry (the will was destroyed) for a Benjn A Watson of Mill Lodge, Co. Clare, the probate year was 1838:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dw/IRE_DIOC_007246592_00310.pdf
Edited to add: I couldn't help but notice that one of the witnesses to that 1856 Somerville-Watson marriage had the quite singular name of Margaret Everina Drew, the forenames matching those of the bride (as per the Clare Journal announcement) and the surname having cropped up in a previous post on this topic. Then I noticed the following death registration in March 1885 for a 75 year old Margaret Everina Drew of Drewscourt, widow of Francis Drew, daughter of Hugh 3rd Baron Massy, the informant was a son called Ringrose Drew of Drewscourt:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06282/4800006.pdf
There's a bit here about the Drew family, there may be other bits online:
http://landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2036
July 17, at Anne's Church, Francis Drew, Esq., only son of Ringrose Drew, Esq., of Drewsborough, co. of Clare, to the Hon. Margaret Everina, fourth daughter to the late and sister to the present Lord Massy. (published in Various Irish newspapers in late July 1833)
I haven't got my head round all this to know if any of it is relevant or not, hopefully fresh eyes will see / find something.
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Just to add that the 'Ancestry' website shows several baptismal entries for children of David Ashworth Sommerville and Margaret Everina Watson, one even has a middle name Ringrose. With my usual health warning about potential inaccuracy, a tree on the website suggests that one of the children went on to become Sir Annesley Ashworth Somerville (1858-1942), conservative politician.
So plenty to pursue on this line.
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I've tried to remain open on how closely (if at all) the folk I've posted about from reply #18 are related to the OP's query and the query at reply #16, for it may be the case that names like 'Annesley' and 'Ringrose' have passed down various quite seperate lines (ie. cousins) over a very long time.
Take the Benjamin Annesley Watson of Caherhurley cited as the father of Margaret Everina Watson who married David Ashworth Somerville in 1856... IF he is the same person as the father of Thomas Annesley Watson who married Honora Halloran in 1849 and emigrated to Queensland in 1863, then that raises the possibility that a Benjamin Annesley Watson married a Mary Ann Annesley (ie. that Benjamin came to that marriage already with an Annesley background - maybe his mother?)? Or did the informant at the death of Thomas Annesley Watson in 1879 simply get his mother's details confused, as in conflated with older family history?
Anyhow, for what it's worth, here are two more mentions on the 'Annesley Watson' combo theme, I only mention them because the geography is in the ball park (Limerick/Clare). The first mention appeared in various newspapers, it's a quite bizarre story carried in November/December 1830 about a Benjamin Annesley Watson whose (unnamed) uncle died on 13 September 1830 and who had an unpleasant interaction with a priest over the funeral mass for the uncle, resulting in the priest effectively inviting Benjamin to a duel and the priest then being suspended by the bishop. From the genealogy perspective, all it does is confirm that someone with that name combo was there at that time.
The second mention is of a Thomas Annesley Watson in newspapers of March 1848, described as being 'of most respectable appearance', a clerk who was aquitted of fraud at the Ennis assizes, there is mention of a brother John Watson and of the location 'Scarriff district' - is this the same Thomas Watson the 'farmer' who married Honora Halloran a year later? Or a cousin? Or a pure unrelated coincidence of names?
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Thank you KG for the interesting links, and for the welcome :)
Regards,
MezOz
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Hi Gaffy,
Thank you for your reply. I have noted that a Benjamin A Watson was the father of Thomas Annesley Watson, so I guess that fits. I also had a Mary Ann Ainslie or Annesley as Thomas's mother. I had thought that the Annesley came from her Ainslie, but I think that your idea about Benjamin already having that as a family name is correct.
Do you have any further information on John Watson, brother of Thomas Annesley, please?
Regards,
MezOz
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In the case of the Conservative MP, the family tree on Ancestry has it right. Annesley Somerville's entry in Alumni Cantab says:
Somerville, Annesley Ashworth. Adm. sizar at TRINITY, June 13, 1876. S. of David Ashworth, of Ballincollig, Co. Cork. B. there, Nov. 16, 1858
There is some information about Drew Watson Annesley families here https://nickreddan.net/trees/Drew.pdf
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Thank you, Sue, much appreciated
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Hope this account sheds some light.
In the Napa Region of California, there lived four Watson boys: John (1830-1884), Ringrose (1833-1887), George (1822-1891) and Felthan (1827-1902). It turns out that George & Felthan were brothers, and John & Ringrose were brothers. John never married. When he died, he left most of his property to the children of George. John and Ringrose had a sister, Margaret Sommerville (1840-1925), who objected. She traveled to Napa, and sued the estate. The local newspapers covered the trial in detail. The implication was that George's wife convinced John through her wily ways to leave the property to her children. Here are some excerpts from the trial:
from "The Napa Register", 20 May 1887 (newspapers.com)
Mrs. Margaret E. Sommerville sworn - Was born in Ireland in the year 1837; my mother had ten children, and myself and Ring are the only ones living; I had eight brothers; John Watson whose will was admitted to probate was my brother; he came to this country from Ireland; think he was 19 then; I am married and my husband is now in Washington Territory; he has had no occupation since 1877; before that he was manager at the Royal Gun Powder Works in Ireland; he lost his position in '77; I have seven children living and four have died; I had seven children living with me in 1877; in January, 1880, all were living with me except my eldest son; when my husband lost his position we had no income; ....
From "Vallejo Evening News Chronicle", 20 May 1887 (newspapers.com)
[Margaret Sommerville testimony] After my mother's death in 1870 both John and Ring wrote to me sometimes...I had a brother Benjamin who died several years ago in Australia; think he died late in the seventies and he left a widow and several children; Thomas Watson, another brother, died either in Australia or New Zealand also some years ago and left a family.
from "Napa Register", 27 May 1887 (cdnc.ucr.edu)
Felton H. Watson. - Reside at Vallejo; have lived in Napa county since '55; Geo. Watson is my brother; John Watson's grandfather and my father were first cousins; I left Dublin in '52; Ring and John accompanied me and we three started to St. Louis, U.S. in a sailing vessel; John, George and myself then went to Soscol; I left sometime after for the mines but John remained in the employ of George; Geo. settled in Soscol in '55, and has lived there ever since; between John and George Watson and family there were very friendly relations;
from "Death certificates (Washington (State), 1907-1960" (familysearch.org) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HVWC-WWT2
Margaret Everina Sommerville, a housewife, born 26 Aug 1840 in County Clair, IRE to Henry Benjamin b. IRE & Mary Ann Annesley b. IRE died 20 Nov 1925 near Centralia, Lewis, WA of chronic nephritis. Burial in Centralia WA. Informant Robert Sommerville.
Assuming Margaret Somerville's grandfather is Benjamin A Watson (as stated in an earlier post), then he would be a nephew to Felthan's grandfather, Felthan Watson (1744-1790) who married Anastasia Drew.