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Hi there, my great, great, great grandfather was born in Ireland. His name was Robert McClure. He died in 1865, but, have no birth year. He married Elizabeth Lee, born 1815, but, no death year.
His son was John McClure, 1834-1918, who married Ann Caldwell, 1837-1918. They were in Glasgow by this time.
Hope this is enough information, if not, please ask me.
I am totally stuck on this, so, any assistance would be much appreciated
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So did he marry in Ireland or Scotland
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Are you sure he was Irish,
Scotlands select baptisms have
Robert McClure son of Robert McClure and Jane Howe
birth 6th April 1815
Barony ,Lanark Scotland
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Welcome to Rootschat
Where did Robert die - Ireland or Scotland? Nothing on SP for 1865
The 1861 Scottish census has a John McClure born Ireland in lodgings in Glasgow but no wife. If this is your John - it suggests that Robert & Elizabeth married in Ireland
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Hi there, my great, great, great grandfather was born in Ireland. His name was Robert McClure. He died in 1865, but, have no birth year. He married Elizabeth Lee, born 1815, but, no death year.
His son was John McClure, 1834-1918, who married Ann Caldwell, 1837-1918. They were in Glasgow by this time.
Hope this is enough information, if not, please ask me.
I am totally stuck on this, so, any assistance would be much appreciated
Where did you get the year of Robert McClure's death? There's only one Robert McClure death in 1865 in Ireland but he was only 16 years old-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
None of the other deaths for 1860s look like they would have had a son born 1830s.
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John McClure & Ann Caldwell married in 1865. Is Robert shown as deceased on their marriage cert and you are assuming he died 1865?
1871 shows John born Ireland. He is not on the Scottish 1851 so presumably came to Scotland between 1851-1861
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Hi, I got the limited information from a friend who was doing my cousin's tree. I got no further information. Robert and Elizabeth married in Ireland, then came to Glasgow, as far as I am aware
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Unfortunately, civil registration of marriages didn't start until 1864 (Catholic marriages) and 1845 (non-Catholic ones) o you need their religion and a location to see if a church record survives.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Do you know what denomination they were ? He was born prior to Civil Registration
Have you any idea as to which county he was born.
JFCH
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Robert and Elizabeth married in Ireland, then came to Glasgow, as far as I am aware
Unlikely - nothing on the 1841/51/61 Scottish censuses for Robert and no death on Scotlands People in 1865 which made me wonder whether assumptions had been made based on the info on his sons marriage cert. If he had been found on a census - you would have his birthdate.
Using a rough birthyear of 1811-1815 and Lanarkshire - SP has no death between 1855-1865 so my guess is he died in Ireland.
Son John was born there
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I'm not sure the John McClure in 1861 Census is the right man - he is shown as single and a Coal Miner - born Ireland.
The marriage in 1865 shows John McClure was a labourer, and a widower (with parents as previously given).
I agree with former comments - marriage certificate shows Robert McClure as deceased by 1865 (so could have died anytime between John's birth ca.1834 and 1865 - certificate also shows his mother Elizabeth was deceased by 1865.
You say John McClure died 1918 but where was this? Cannot see in Scotland or England.
Annette
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Apart from 1871 - I can't see them on any other census up to 1901. There is a John McClure b 1838 Ireland occ bootmaker on the 1901 in Cambusnethan but he has a daughter Mary Ann b 1865 living with him.
Are you certain your friend has researched the right John McClure?
John McClure 33 b Ireland - labourer
Ann 32 b Ireland
James 4 b Forfar
John 1 b Glasgow
Glasgow College ED 26 Page 18 Line 13
Which of John's children are you descended from? If it is a child born after 1871 - what was the name and where & when was it born
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They are in Dundee in 1881 with children James age 14 ( James Rody Mcclure was born in Dundee in 1866) and Susan 9 ( born Glasgow 1872). Ann is down as Jane A for some reason. Ann C McClure is still in Dundee in 1891 along with James and Susan. She shows as 'married' but no sign of John. Think in 1901 Ann may be the Annie McLure, age 61, widow, born Cavan, Ireland, living at 260 High Street, Glasgow.
Ann Caldwell or Mcclure died in Govan in 1918 age 79.
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His son was John McClure, 1834-1918, who married Ann Caldwell, 1837-1918
So Ann died in 1918 but John died possibly before 1891 but definitely before 1901
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They were Catholic, from Ireland. Sorry, have no further information. You can see why I'm struggling!
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From the limited info available there is nothing to support your statement that Robert came to live in Scotland. Son John was born in Ireland and cannot be found on any census before 1871 if we accept he is not the 1861 entry I found.
All indications are that Robert lived/married/died in Ireland
Like many of us with Irish ancestors you will struggle as info and records for that period are sparse and you have no info about where or when Robert was born