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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: KiwiRose on Thursday 17 August 17 00:58 BST (UK)
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Lizzie Alexandra Legg was born in January, 1873 and registered in Belfast, Ireland to John Legg and Jane Legg, nee Moore.
Further details known about Lizzie follows -
The 1901 Census of Ireland has Lizzie A Legge, aged 27yrs, is living with her widowed father, John Legge, a farmer, in Crossmary, Templecorran, Antrim.
In 14 May 1905 a Lizzie Alexander (sic) Legg aged 31yr 4mth, of Belfast, is booked to travel from Liverpool to New York on the ship, Cedric. The record states that she was going to a friend,( actually a Moore cousin) living in Sedro Woolley, Washington State. The entry has been crossed out so I presume that Lizzie cancelled the booking.
In 1909 a Lizzie Legge and Jenie Wisnom left Liverpool for New York arriving on 25 April. Their travel details state they were travelling to San Mateo, California. Jenie, a clerk, 23yr, going to her sister, Minnie Wisnom, Lizzie was going to a cousin, Mrs Ridges, 443 Wisnom Ave, San Mateo. Lizzies's father was John Legg, Crossmary, and Jenie's mother, Mary Wisnom ------- Horse, Whitehead.
The 1909 arrival in the USA is the last information about Lizzie that I am certain about. I need help in finding what became of her after that date. She had relations in California and Washington State so I am hoping she remained in the USA . No evidence of her returning to her home in Antrim, Ireland has been found.
Searching has thrown up the following possibilities below.
In the US Census 1910 the nearest possible person who could be our Lizzie Legg in California is an
Elizabeth A Lugge, born Ireland 1875,Township 2, San Mateo, a servant for a couple named John and Clara Coleman. Unfortunately no year of immigration was recorded.
Did Lizzie upgrade her name to Elizabeth in the USA?
Lizzie/Elizabeth could not be found anywhere in the 1920 US Census, nor could I find a California or Washington State death. The other possibility was a marriage found in the San Mateo County marriage index 1853 to 1948.
On 21 Dec 1910 an Elizabeth A Legge, 31yrs married a Samuel Stewart aged 26. If this is my Lizzie then she has stretched the truth as to her age.
This marriage clue has drawn a blank as I haven’t been able to locate the married Elizabeth and Samuel Stewart anywhere in order to confirm or otherwise that Elizabeth Stewart is my Lizzie.
I am now facing a brick wall. I would be grateful for any help to find out what became of Lizzie.
Regards,
KiwiRose.
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I'm just starting to have a look around so I'm rounding up the facts. ;)
In 1909 a Lizzie Legge and Jenie Wisnom left Liverpool for New York arriving on 25 April. Their travel details state they were travelling to San Mateo, California. Jenie, a clerk, 23yr, going to her sister, Minnie Wisnom, Lizzie was going to a cousin, Mrs Ridges, 443 Wisnom Ave, San Mateo. Lizzies's father was John Legg, Crossmary, and Jenie's mother, Mary Wisnom ------- Horse, Whitehead.
...Horse, Whitehead could be
1 Rathlin? House, Whitehead
Mrs. Ridges most likely was related to
Hugh Ridges, Carpenter, 443 Wisnom Avenue, San Mateo (no date shown other than 1900-1912)
A family tree has
Hugh Ridges married Jane Wisnom (1858-1885); she was born in Carnbrock, Antrim, Ireland. He also married Maggie Cameron (1869- ) and also Minnie (1876- ); she was born in Northern Ireland.
In the US Census 1910 the nearest possible person who could be our Lizzie Legg in California is an
Elizabeth A Lugge, born Ireland 1875,Township 2, San Mateo, a servant for a couple named John and Clara Coleman. Unfortunately no year of immigration was recorded.
Did Lizzie upgrade her name to Elizabeth in the USA?
The address for the above entry appears to be 333 A Street, Township 2, San Mateo County. Looking rather quickly at a "current" map, there doesn't appear to be an A Street in the city of San Mateo, but there is a North B Street, which is slightly over one mile away from 443 Wisnom Avenue. The addresses are rather close - could Lizzie have found a nearby place to live in 1910?
It's getting late here; I hope to resume tomorrow morning. Perhaps by then, someone else may have found something helpful? :)
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Is this the same Lizzie? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG5Y-GQ7 If so, is Robinson a transcription error?
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Is this the same Lizzie? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG5Y-GQ7 If so, is Robinson a transcription error?
Birth registration: Lizzie Alexandra Legg born 27 Jan.1873, parents John Legg & Jane Moore-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03213/2178473.pdf
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shellyesq and aghadowey,
I cannot be certain as to the date of Lizzie’s birth, as apart from having the correct names for her parents, there are discrepancies between both records found. All of Lizzie’s older siblings births were registered in Larne. The parents, (father being a spirit dealer or farmer), living in Crossmary, Kilroot.
The irishgenealogy.ie image of the Lizzie Alexandra Legg birth is odd due to the place of birth, father’s occupation and signing using a mark. The Familysearch one does not have an image for me to check. The birth dates recorded in both the records found online differ. One 27 Jan and the other 22 Jan 1873. I have no idea as to where the middle name Robinson came from unless it was associated with the Legg side of her family.
Lisa in California,
Yes, Mrs Ridges was related to Hugh Ridges. Lizzie’s cousin was formerly, Sarah Jane Moore and was married to Hugh Ridges Jnr. They ran a dairy in San Mateo. Hugh’s mother was a Wisnom.
Thank you for the information regarding the address that Elizabeth A Lugge was living at in the 1910 Census. The closeness to her cousin’s address has me thinking it even more likely that Elizabeth A is my Lizzie. I wish there was the year of immigration as that may have clinched it.
I am now thinking more about the possibility Lizzie married the unknown Samuel Stewart. A search for Samuel in the 1910 US Census before his marriage has not found him. He must have been living close to Lizzie in order to meet, unless he was a recent arrival from Antrim that Lizzie already knew.
Thanks for all the help so far.
Kind regards
KiwiRose.
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Hi KiwiRose:
I've been looking around for Samuel and Lizzie/Elizabeth and have not had any luck finding them. (Note: I've also searched for Stuart spelling.) I did notice on the marriage index that the residence was missing for both of them; they were married in San Mateo. The majority of the people on the index had residences included; I wonder why the Stewarts didn't. :-\
Have you been able to track Jenie Wisnom? Perhaps they left the area together?
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Lisa in California,
I did try tracking Jenie Wisnom, Lizzie’s travelling companion, when I couldn’t find Lizzie. I was thinking along the same lines as you, but once again had no success. I did check up on Jenie’s Antrim details. Jenie Wisnom was probably Jane Wisnom born Duffs Hill, Carickfergus, to Joseph (farmer) and Mary Anne Wisnom (formerly McMurtry) on 19 Oct 1884.
I also wonder why no residence for either the bride or groom, Elizabeth Legge and Samuel Stewart, was recorded. Could it be just an error on the transcriber’s part or maybe was it too faint to read? I am grateful though that I did come across the San Mateo marriage index. It is another clue.
Thank you for your continuing help. This last month or so I seemed to be going round in circles trying to find Lizzie.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.
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Updates in my Lizzie A Legg/e search.
Lizzie’s travelling companion to San Mateo, Jenie (Jane) Wisnom must have returned to her Antrim home between May 1909 and the date of the 1911 Ireland census. She is listed back with her mother and three siblings in Whitehead (Templecorran).
To eliminate or confirm the Elizabeth A Legge /Samuel Stewart marriage I decided to track the groom as being a recent US arrival, due to being unable to find him in any US Census.
There was a strong contender in the Ellis Island 1909 arrivals when I found an Irish, farming, single, 25yr old Samuel Stewart, who departed from Londonderry on 13 Nov 1909 on the ship Columbia, arriving 21 Nov in New York. He was travelling to San Mateo, CA to a friend, John Wisnom, Lumber Company. The Wisnom connection got me really excited. This Samuel had a brother, David in Ireland, and mentioned was the last residence being Moneymore, Tulneg_ll? It was hard to read. Further information on Samuel and a brother, David, in the 1901 Census Ireland proved unsuccessful.
I think I’ve exhausted all possible routes to find Lizzie, or to confirm/eliminate the 1909 marriage, so Lizzie’s search will have to be put aside into the too hard basket for now.
Thank you for all the help and interest from Rootschatters.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.
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I think Samuel Stewart's brother's residence, and his birthplace, appear to be Tulnagee
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Brackaghslievegallion/Tulnagee/1533627/
"Tullynagee" in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Brackagh_Slieve_Gallion/Tullynagee/614333/
I think this may be Samuel in Colorado in WWII,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKC4-ZC1K , born "Moneymore"
Lists his next of kin as Mrs Helen Stewart.
Full name "Samuel James Stewart".
Marriage to Helen, 1923 in Colorado:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KNQP-DRP
In 1918 he was also in Colorado, and nearest relative was Mrs Elizabeth Stewart
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZKX-JH9
Samuel J. Stewart died 1960 in the same region, apparently buried with Elizabeth A Stewart:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=20889998
Elizabeth A Stewart's dates in the same cemetery are 1879-1922:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35152756
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Looks like you can get a free copy of that Elizabeth's obituary from this site: http://more.ppld.org:8080/SpecialCollections/index/article_search.asp
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I found the obit for Samuel who died 1960. No mention of Elizabeth, but it says he was born Londonderry 28 Sep. 1884, was a resident of the Colorado Springs area since 1912, was member of St. Mary's Catholic Church, and was survived by wife Anna and a brother David of Los Angeles.
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Just a one liner.
Colorado Springs Gazette
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Thursday, November 09, 1922
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It looked like there was another one from the next day on the index, so maybe that has more detail.
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Jorose, Shellyesq and RJ137,
Wow, I can’t believe it!
I never thought that Lizzie would be coming out of the too hard basket, so thanks for all your hard work. I am very grateful for the clues you found. The next few hours will be spent following up on all your finds. They may be the breakthroughs I needed in finding my Lizzie.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.
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I don't think this has been mentioned; my apologies if it has
Colorado Naturalization Records
Samuel James Stewart, born September 28, 1884, Moneymore, Derry, Ireland...was married to "Helen Stewart" (now deceased) December 26, 1923, Colorado Springs, Colo. Last place of foreign residence was Cookstown, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.
Arrived November 14, 1920, on the SS Imperator....Dated November 26, 1940
New York Passenger List
Imperator arrived New York, New York 13 November 1920.
Samuel Stewart, age 37, Engin?, 5'9", "fsh" complexion, black hair, blue eyes
Elizabeth A Stewart, age 40, H'Wife, 5'8", "sull" complexion, black hair, blue eyes
Last address: Cookstown, Ireland. Stayed with Mrs. M Stewart (Samuel's mother), Drumeen, Moneymore. Headed to Denver, Colorado
Had been in the US from 1910 to 1919 in Colorado. Going to (friend) Spencer Penrose, Colorado Springs.
Elizabeth was born Carrickfergus, Ireland
Samuel was born Moneymore, Ireland
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Possibility for the 1919 sailing?
Scandinavian sailed from Montreal, Quebec, Canada arrived Liverpool, England 14 July 1919
Stewart, Elizabeth, European address: Trelnagh? :-\, Moneymore, Co. Londonderry, wife, age 40?, country of last permanent address: Canada.
Three lines down from her entry
Stewart, Samuel J., ?relnagh, Moneymore, Londonderry. Cannot read occupation, looks like Farmer?, age 36. Country of last permanent address: USA
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I have searched http://more.ppld.org:8080/SpecialCollections/index/article_search.asp for Elizabeth A Stewart’s free obituary and found this one below.
Article ID: 580056
Headline: Elizabeth A. Stewart
Date/Pub/Sec: 11/10/1922, Gazette, 12:2
It may have told me more than the simple one sentence that RJ137 found published on the previous day. The full text was not available so I needed to order it. Unfortunately the Pikes Peak Library District order form requires a PPLD Library Card or a ZIP Code. As I do not live in the USA I can’t fulfill this requirement.
It was interesting that the Stewart family in the 1909 and 1911 Ireland census was Presbyterian yet the Samuel Stewart who died in 1960 Colorado Springs was a member of a Catholic Church. My Lizzie would have been a Presbyterian.
As I was typing this up I see further information has come in. I need to clear my head and gather my thoughts before I reply to them. I spotted the town of Carrickfergus mentioned along with Elizabeth. This suggests that we have my Lizzie.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.
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Lisa in California
Thank you so much for the information regarding the 1919/1920 passenger lists to and from the UK of Samuel and Elizabeth Stewart. I now know that they arrived back in Ireland in July, 1919 and went to stay with Samuel’s family in the Londonderry area.
They have returned after an extended stay in Ireland in late 1920 arriving in New York 13 November. The passenger list where Elizabeth was recorded as being born in Carrickfergus has me almost certain I’ve found Lizzie. My Lizzie grew up in the Carrickfergus area but, sadly, all her siblings and parents were deceased by then.
It seems that Samuel and Elizabeth must not have had any children. They would not have been able to leave children, 18 years or less, behind in the US whilst they spent such a long time in Ireland.
I can’t believe that with the help of Rootschatters the brick wall is almost certainly down.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.
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I have searched http://more.ppld.org:8080/SpecialCollections/index/article_search.asp for Elizabeth A Stewart’s free obituary and found this one below.
Article ID: 580056
Headline: Elizabeth A. Stewart
Date/Pub/Sec: 11/10/1922, Gazette, 12:2
It may have told me more than the simple one sentence that RJ137 found published on the previous day. The full text was not available so I needed to order it. Unfortunately the Pikes Peak Library District order form requires a PPLD Library Card or a ZIP Code. As I do not live in the USA I can’t fulfill this requirement.
Some North American libraries offer "Ask A Librarian" services. You could try contacting the library, explaining that you do not live in the states and would it be possible to ask for the one obituary lookup. A number of libraries do not charge a fee for "simple" Ask A Librarian requests; but be careful, some libraries do charge a small fee (I didn't read the small print one time). ;) Also, it wouldn't hurt to explain a wee bit about why the obituary could help you. ;)
I tried to shrink the link for the library, but I can't get it to work. Once you are on the Pikes Peak library site, if you go to "Contact Us" you can submit your question. Hopefully, you will not need a library card to ask a question!
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I am in the US, so if all they need is a zip code, I could request it.
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I put in a request, so I'll let you know if I receive it.
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Shellyesq,
Thank you so much for ordering the obituary for Elizabeth A Stewart for me. I am really looking forward to hearing from you (in about a week the library said) as to what information about her was included.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.