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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: cowboysmate on Thursday 17 August 17 12:39 BST (UK)
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Hi, if anyone can do a look up for me, would be very grateful:
Ida Brown age 81 (b.1881)
Registered March 1962 so could be between January to April
I have the death certificate info, but wondered if there was any further information from a possible notice in the paper.....
Will be sending for the death certificate shortly, have only just stumbled upon it!
Any information gratefully received
Regards
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Ida Brown age 81 (b.1881)
Registered March 1962 so could be between January to April
Could also be late December 1961
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The Chronicle was a daily paper, so a look up requires trawling through an enormous number of pages, January to the end of March.
It would be better to establish the exact date of death first.
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Oh, okay will get the death certificate and see who notified the death.
I guess I thought someone could go in and get it easier than that!
Thank you very much for your advice.
Regards
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If you know where they lived and located where the closest cemetery/crematorium is to their home perhaps someone kind might be able to find the date of the service at Tyne and Wear Archives.
This would really narrow down dates and make it a lot easier then to find any death notice. Plus this could save you the price of a death certificate.
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Thanks for your information, will bear it in mind if it's who we're after.
Unfortunately we don't know details of the lady, we're hoping that the death certificate will give us further information, and take it from there. Am hoping that the informant may give us a clue.
Been trying to find her since she disappeared from her marital home about 1911.
Her name, dob and age could be the person we're looking for, also she lived in Newcastle.
Just have to wait and see!
Regards
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Have you tried looking for her on the 1939 register
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Did Ida (Davidson) marry George Delafield Brown in 1903?
Could you give all the information you have about Ida please?
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Here's another search for the same family :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=669323.msg5144032#msg5144032
in particular see reply #11
Did Ida (Davidson) marry George Delafield Brown in 1903?
I see the answer is yes, from one of your earlier enquiries about Ida
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=457856.msg3206953#msg3206953
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Have you tried looking for her on the 1939 register
I see from the index on Scotlands People that Ida was born in 1879.
On the free index to the 1939 register there is an Ida Brown living in Newcastle upon Tyne, birth year 1879. A bit of fiddling with the search shows that she stated that she was a widow.
You would have to get some credits for FindMyPast to see the full entry as we aren't allowed to do look-ups. The entry would show her full date of birth which you could check against her birth date from her birth certificate (which you've presumably got?).
If you have access to Ancestry you can easily find an Ida Frances Brown on Electoral Registers in Newcastle upon Tyne. In 1945 her address is 5 Argyle Street. If you search Ida Brown born 1879 address 5 Argyle Street in the 1939 register you get the same person as I mentioned above.
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Thanks so much for your interest. Am coming back to this search from a break of a few years, as we got nowhere at that time. And over the years more and more is added to the internet.
Yes, the other person is, as you can see, looking for information on the son of Ida, her father, we are in touch with her. I have always been looking for the mother after 1910-1911. Her daughter was my husband's mother and we knew her, but she knew nothing of her mother, unfortunately.
Am not currently a member of Ancestry, was a few years ago in fact for a number of years. Never seemed to help on this person at that time.
If the 39 Register is our lady, yes she would have been a widow and at least we needn't look for a second marriage.
Just yesterday found that Ida Brown was awarded a medal from WW1 as a VAD and am wondering if any records here would give me further information, eg address, next of kin?? Meant to print this out but was interrupted, now can't find it again! Sorry to sound a bit silly, but I'm getting on you know!!
Am getting the death certificate and will see if it leads us anywhere.
Thanks so much for your interest and help.
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If the 39 Register is our lady, yes she would have been a widow and at least we needn't look for a second marriage.
As I said, you can double-check the date of birth on the 1939 register against the date of birth on Ida's birth certificate. Have you done this?
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Hello again
Have been searching through the information we put to one side a few years ago (!) and found that we never did get a copy of Ida Frances Davidson's birth certificate, I suppose we relied on the census returns - realise now not such a good idea!
Have just bought some credits with Scotlands People and already received a downloaded copy of her birth registration:- it confirms she was born on 16 October 1879. So this tallies with the 1939 Register.
And have just downloaded her registration from the '39 Register. It shows she is living in 5 Argyle Street with an unknown lady. Nice to see the house marked on the town map, it shows she didnt go far from her old marital home.
Have also just got a download from the National Archives of a VAD medal record which could be her, although it doesn't indicate a geographical location.
Will now get the death certificate previously mentioned and see what info it gives.
Thank you very much for all the help you have given - I'll let you know how I get on!
kind regards
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It's looking good so far :)
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I am really pleased that things are matching up
It shows she is living in 5 Argyle Street with an unknown lady.
Are you sure they are in the same household ;)
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I am really pleased that things are matching up
It shows she is living in 5 Argyle Street with an unknown lady.
Are you sure they are in the same household ;)
On the free search Ida's name comes up by itself. As Rosie suggests you need to look at this again. There might have been two separate households in the one dwelling house. If they are separate households they will have separate schedule numbers.
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Yes, you're right, just looked at it again :
Ida Brown is a separate schedule number to the other person at the same address, occupation described as Unpaid Domestic Duties. When I look at other people with the same occupation description, they seem to be wives.....
The only other person at 5 Argyle Street is a much younger woman but with a different surname, born in 1906. - I wonder??? She has a retail type occupation.
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The only other person at 5 Argyle Street is a much younger woman but with a different surname, born in 1906. - I wonder??? She has a retail type occupation.
Have you got a query on the other person :-\
You are allowed to post details of the 1939 as you started the post. You are not allowed to ask for details on the 1939 and we would not be able to give them to you. ;D
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I wouldn't necessarily place huge significance on the other person in the property. I suspect that they were simply houses in multiple occupation.
The last electoral register on which I can find Ida was dated 1959, and her address was 26 Albion Buildings, Byker.
Do let us know when you get the death certificate.
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OK, I wasn't sure if I could divulge the '39 info on this board.
So - the only other person living at the property is a Charlotte Baker, born in 1906. Different schedule number, she's single, a fried fish shop assistant.
Ida Frances Brown married George Delafield Brown in 1903. Their two children were born in 1905 and 1908. The above lady was born in between, so what I am wondering is, why is Ida Frances living in a property, still a widow bearing the name Brown, and with no visible means of support? Were pension incomes counted as such, eg annuity? Could this other woman have a relationship with Ida of some sort? I've checked other sources and she was born Charlotte Baker, in Newcastle upon Tyne.
I don't normally grasp at straws when trying to research my family tree, but Ida Frances is such a puzzle .....
The 1911 Census doesn't appear to show her in Newcastle, though.
Regards.
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Thanks, JenB, for the electoral register info.
best regards.
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Hello
Just received the death certificate for Ida Brown!
She died in Newcastle General Hospital, Wingrove.
It gives her address, prior to going into hospital.
The informant, their surname and address is different and in that box it says "causing the body to be buried", not sure why that would be written like that (is that normal?), but now I guess I will be able to find out where she was buried!
Is it possible to find out what relationship the informant was to her?
Any advice would be much appreciated if you have any for me at this stage!
Regards and thanks
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The informant, their surname and address is different and in that box it says "causing the body to be buried", not sure why that would be written like that (is that normal?), but now I guess I will be able to find out where she was buried!
'Causing the body to be buried' is a standard phrase. It is the last in a list qualifications required for a person to be the informant on a death certificate.
From the 1953 Births and Deaths Registration Act http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1953Act.htm
17.-(1) The following provisions of this section shall have effect where a person dies elsewhere than in a house or where a dead body is found and no information as to the place of death is available.
(2) The following persons shall be qualified to give information concerning the death, that is to say-
(a) any relative of the deceased who has knowledge of any of the particulars required to be registered concerning the death ;
(b) any person present at the death ;
(c) any person finding or taking charge of the body ;
(d) any person causing the disposal of the body.
A death is usually registered by next-of-kin or a relative. If this is not possible then whoever is dealing with the funeral arrangements can register the death. This could range from the executor of any will, a solicitor, a friend, a neighbour, a member of the clergy or a member of staff at the hospital where the person died.
The use of this phrase makes it unlikely that the person who registered Ida's death was a relative.
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What date did she die? If you can supply this I would be able to look up death notice which will likely give information about burial.
Best Wishes :)
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Thanks for your information to you both
The date she died was 11th January 1962, it was registered on the 12th
Kind regards
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What date did she die? If you can supply this I would be able to look up death notice which will likely give information about burial.
Let's hope you're in luck now you've got a date to work on :D
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I am so sorry, I have checked the Evening Chronicles of that period but the print on the microfilmed pages is abysmal for the death notices. I have asked the staff if they have the original papers but they do not have the ones for this period of time.
Was her home address 6 Tyndale or Tynedale? There is a memoriam notice the next year starting with 'In Memory of my dear Mother... This was from daughter Margaret, George etc. Does this sound familiar? If so I will send.
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I am so sorry, I have checked the Evening Chronicles of that period but the print on the microfilmed pages is abysmal for the death notices.
What a shame :(
What are the full details on the certificate - including name of informant? (Clutching at straws)
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Hi, and thank you for the lookup!
The name Margaret doesn't ring a bell. As far as we know she only had the one daughter, Norah, my husband's mother, and a son George Edward Brown. He died in 1971 in Farndon, Gosford, Newcastle.
George Delafield Brown, her husband, died in 1920 in Tynemouth.
Her home address was down as 49 St Lawrence Square, Newcastle.
The informant was F. Dixon of 182 Hillview Avenue, Newcastle.
I guess the next step would be to find where the burial was?
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Her home address was down as 49 St Lawrence Square, Newcastle.
That was just round the corner from where she was living in 1959 (Albion Buildings).