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Michael one of ten children born to Michael Lyons and Eliza Farrell, who lived in Lismany. Michael was number four in the pecking order, my Grandmother Mary Ellen being the eldest, born 1875.
Three brothers and one sister emigrated to America, whom I have traced up to 1960. Additionally one source says Michael also emigrated, however that is all the information I have, did he go or did he stay?
If anyone can help with information or suggestions would appreciate assistance.
Many thanks.
Seeper
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Is this the baptism for Michael Joesph Lyons
Michael Josephis Lyons birth date 30 April 1879
Baptism 11 May 1879
Clonluskert Galway Ireland
Father Michaeles Lyons
Mother Elizabetha Farrell
There is a ww1 draft registration card
Michael Joseph Lyons age 39
Birth date 30 April 1879
Address 714 3th Avenue Manhattan New York
Works for a cold storage plant North Moore street N Y
Relative Mrs Dooner
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I agree rosie17
Michael is listed with his family on the 1901 census LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Lissmanny/Gannaveen/1369099/=)
at house 17 in Gannaveen (Lissmanny, Galway)
He was born on Apr 30 1879 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02914/2067634.pdf) #89
He is still listed with his family in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Lismanny/Gannaveen/450292/)
at house 14 in Gannaveen (Lissmanny, Galway) aged 32
So he was still in Ireland in April 1911
Either he or his father Michael was witness to Elizabeth's marriage in 1912 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09923/5607182.pdf)
Death of Michael LYONS Snr in 1924 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1924/05028/4374480.pdf)
daughter Kate the informant on the death record
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www11 registration cards
Michael Joseph Lyons age 63
Birth date 30 April 1879
Galway Ireland
Residence year 1942 Roslyn New York
St Francis Sanatorium Port Washington BlVD
Place of employment as above
Employers name Mary Kavlaer address as above
Rosie
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Looks like same person in the 1940 census
Michael Lyons age 60 born about 1880 Eire ( single )
Occupation Labourer in St Francis Sanitorium
Address Flower Hill Nassau New York 1935 and 1940
Rosie
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This could be a possible record for his immigration very hard to make out
Michael Lyons age 32 single occupation labourer
Departure Queenstown Ireland
Arrival date 5 July 1913 New York
Ship Baltic
Father Michael Lyons address hard to read Ganarveen ? going to his brother John Lyons 248,East Main
Street sorry can't make out the rest ?
Rosie
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Thank you both, This is definitely my Great Uncle.I knew he was on the 1911 census so departure date follows nicely. his father Michael, from Ganaveen, and he had a brother John in New York and Mrs Dooner was his sister Margaret. the extra information you give regarding draft registrations giving age and addresses very helpful
thank you for your help, much appreciated.
Seeper
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Your welcome sorry I have not been able to help with a death as yet
Rosie
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Thank you Rosie, Anything further at any time would be most welcome. It looks like Michael died a single man, so line would stop with his death date. I am also trying to locate details on his brother John, born circa 1877, Clontuskert registration district, lived Ganaveen who married . Catherine Bermingham in Clontuskert And then emigrated to USA. He died sometime
Before 1960 and had a son John who died 2.7.1960, pretty certain New York area for this family. I also have two other brothers one in Pittsburgh PA and the other in West Virginia. should I ask for information on those under separate entries? these requests are only. Y second attempts with roots chat so not entirely sure of all the pros and cons.
once again, many thanks.
Seeper.
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This looks like the immigration record for his brother John Lyons
John Lyons age 32 labourer
Kate Lyons age 28 housewife
Contact details his father Michael Lyons going to her sister Josephine Bermingham 208 Madison Avenue New York
Departure Queenstown Ireland
Arrival date 15 May 1911
1920 census Manhattan Assembly District 12 New York
John Lyons age 43 occupation none
Kate Lyons age 39 cleaner in hotel
John Lyons age 8 born 1912 New York
Death for Kate Berminghein Lyons
January 14 th 1923 age 44
wwwfindagrave.com
Rosie
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1930 census John Lyons age 17 born New York occupation clerk in store (nephew )
Josephine Birmingham age 50 single
Address 12th Assembly District Manhattan
They are both together in the 1940 census
Will have a look tomorrow to see if I can find anything else
Rosie
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reference John Lyons brother of Michael.
Thank you Rosie another piece of the puzzle slots in.
Seeper.
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John Lyons snr and jnr,
Looks like John jnr lost his parents at an early age and possible John snr also before 1930.
John jnr died 28.7.1960 at about 48 years of age. I wonder if he stayed single living with his aunt.
Thanks again Rosie, after years of stalemate this information is really moving me along.
Seeper
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Yes I would say John Junior seems to has lost his parent's at an early age ..Hard to tell if he married and a few deaths around for a John Lyons 1960 but just index ..What were the other family members you were looking for ?
Rosie
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Hello Rosie, Thank you for looking. The other two brothers are,
Thomas Roger Lyons born circa 1881 who in 1960 was living in Fordyce Buildings, Clarksburg, West Virginia. Believe he had at least one son who. Might have same Christian name as his father. Donot know who or where Thomas Snr married , death date or emigration details, although after 1911. all I have is above which got from will details of his sister, Margaret Dooner in New York.
The other and final brother who emigrated was Patrick Lyons born1883, also known as Pierce F. Lyons, who in 1960 was living. 634 Maryland Ave, Pittsburgh 32, PA. He also left after 1911 census inIreland. they all seem to have left within a year or two of 1911.
Anything you could find Particularly children born would be of great help.
Thank you for giving me your time and help.
Seeper
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This looks like the immigration record for Thomas and Patrick Lyons
Thomas Lyon age 21 labourer
Patrick Lyons age 19 Labourer
Going to their Uncle John Lyons Clerksburgh /Clarksburgh
Departure Queenstown Ireland
Arrival date 20 September 1902 Philadelphia
Ship Noordland
1910 census Clarksburgh Ward 1 Harrison West Virginia East Pike Street
Thomas R Lyons age 28 born Ireland occupation merchant retail own account
Millie Lyons age 28 born West Virginia
Mary M Lyons age 2 born 1908 West Virginia
1920 Census same address
T R Lyons age 38 widowed merchant
Mary is now Margaret age 12
T R Lyons age 2 born West Virginia
Mary Lyons age 71 born Ireland Aunt
1930 Census he is living with his daughter and her husband
Forrest Johnson age 24 born 1906 Ohio (embalmer )
Margaret Johnson ( lyons ) age 22 born West Virginia
Male Johnson age 4 born West Virginia ( will pm name )
Thomas R Lyon age 48 comm salesman ..tobacco co
WW1Registration Card
Thomas Roger Lyons age 37 born 13 May 1881
Address 242 East Pike Clarksburgh Harrison West Virginia
Nearest Relative Mrs Nellie R Lyons same address
Present occupation grocer
Rosie
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Death for a Thomas R Lyon Sr
Birth date 13 May 1880 Ireland
Death 22 August 1961
Clarksburg Harrison West Virginia
Burial Holy Cross Cemetery Clarksburg West Virginia 25 August 1961
Age 81 Merchant widowed
Social Security Index has his birth as 13 May 1881 birth republic of Ireland
Rosie
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THomas R and Patrick(Pierce) Lyons.
Wow,
Both Thomas and Patrick were missing from1911, everything fits. You have, however, now thrown up some new mysteries. I do not know who the Uncle John mentioned is although I am assuming he must be a brother to the boys father Michael Lyons. Neither do I know who Mary Lyons is although I suppose she could be wife of this John. Likewise I do not know who Nellie is, perhaps wife of Patrick if he in the area at that time?
This is all amazing information Rosie,after years of nothing a glut of Info.
Many thanks.
Seeper
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Thomas Roger Lyon Jr
Birth 24/10/1917 Clarksburgh Harrison
Father T R Lyon
Mother Mrs T R Lyon
Death although birth date is out by one day ?
Thomas R Lyon 23/10/1917 birth place West Virginia
Died 12 Feb 2000
Good Smaritan Hospital Cincinnati Hamilton Ohio
Fathers surname Lyon
Mothers maiden name Courtney
Rosie
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Hi would say John would be the brother or brother in law of Michael and Nellie would be the wife of Thomas Nellie /Millie
Rosie
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Yes,
Took me a moment or two to work this through but Nellie/Millie would have still been alive at World War 1 draft time, dying before 1920.
Think John must be a brother to Michael in Ireland born in the 1840s and possibly Mary his wife as she would appear to have been born circa 1849.
And was born in Ireland.
Have just located family of Forrest Johnson on line so might be able to follow through on This lime. would not have made that connection without your help. If anything turns up on Patrick in Pittsburgh it would tie
him in as last of the brothers.
Many many thanks this has been brilliant.
Seeper
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John Lyon death 31 December 1910 Harrison West Virginia
Probate date 14 January 1911 mentions his brother Michael Lyon Ganaveen also his nephew Thomas R Lyon ...Another brother mentioned Patrick in Pennsylvania
Rosie
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Lyons. GAlway to America.
Wonderful confirms the theories. it gives me another brother for Michael so next generation back benefits as well.
many thanks.
Seeper
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Death for Pierce Farrell Lyon 31 January 1963 Shadyside Hospital Pittsburgh Pennsylvania age 77
Usual address 634 Mary land Avenue Pittsburgh
Has his birth date as 7 May 1885 Scotland
www.findagrave.com
Naturalization record
Pierce Farrell Lyon age 38 occupation clerk
Birth date 7 May 1885 Ganaveen Galway Ireland
Arrived about 1903 Philadelphia
Declaration date 5 October 1923
Spouse Lucy
Address 214 Ingram Avenue Pennsylvania
Rosie
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WWW1 Registration Card
Pierce Farrell Lyon
Birth 7 May 1884
Address 907,N Baldwin Street Pittsburgh
Nearest relative Victoria Hekric Lyon same address
Not employed
WW11 Registration Card
Pierce Farrell Lyon age 57
Date of birth 7 May 1885 this time Clarkston
Address 4601 Bayard Street P A
Year 1942
Employed West Pen Power Co
Relative Mrs J A Doone
1 Manhattan Avenue New York
Rosie
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Lyons. America
That is he. Not the only brother to give some incorrect information at times,
Although correct information on Naturalisation details. SOmeone suggested they gave birth date as in America to avoid being targeted as Irish. NOt sure what the attitude was in the early 1900's
With the information you have given me I was able to pick up on the family of Thomas Roger up to present time, brilliant.
Really most grateful and appreciative of your help. You have taken me forward in leaps and bounds, it has been an exciting couple of days.
seeper
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That's good you have been able to find more information ...Think that's them all accounted for now good luck with your research
Rosie
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Many Thanks.
Seeper
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Hi, hope all is well. I've been researching my family history and a lot of the names match up and my grandfather also comes from a large family(one of 10). Is it possible we may be related?
My grandfather was also from Clontuskert, Chapelpark to be exact. Great grandparents are James and Bridget Kelly.
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Unable to say if connected. Can you give me more details. My two times Great Grandfather Roderick Lyons (Rody) was married to an Ellen Kelly.
Seeper
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Not saying we definitely have a connection but saying a good chance. Ganaveen and Chapelpark are both in Clontuskert and less then a 5 min drive.
I was only able to find my 2x great grandfather James in a census that he reported as head of household. Is it possible your GG grandfather Rodrick and my GG grandfather James either had same parents or may be related a few generations before.
James was born around 1790 and died 1874.
I believe James and his wife Ann started the family farm and it lasted 3 generations. I was unable to find anything as of now about where James is from.
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Ganaveen and Chapelpark are both in Clontuskert and less then a 5 min drive.
Gannaveen
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/longford/clontuskert/lismanny/gannaveen/
Chapelpark
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/clonmacnowen/clontuskert/clontuskert/chapelpark/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5598269#map=14/53.2717/-8.2100
Chapelpark just to the W of Whitehall Bridge.
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Hi,
Unfortunately Chapelpark has not appeared before. My Great Great Grandfather Roderick Lyons (Roger) was born circa 1825. He married
Ellen Kelly in 1845 and died in 1865. The name James has also not appeared in the family. He would look to be a generation ahead of Roderick.
It could of course be a connection but unfortunately I have not been able to establish where Roderick was born or any other information regarding his parents - lack of records. I did actually have some research made in Ireland some years ago but nothing then or since has turned up .
Do you have details of James’s children,and coming forward from there?
It would be useful to know in case anything else turns up. I have a tree on Ancestry under Dolby Tree.
Regards,
Heather