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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Lensmeister on Thursday 17 August 17 14:58 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Attached is a screen dump of some Thaller (and Taller) that I cannot read the christian name of.
The second one Taller I cannot read the month of burial.
Can anyone help please?
I have a few more but I'll post these separately later.
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Is it allegedly English, Latin or some other language?
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Hi it is Austrian/German.
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Yes, it's German (or a derivative).
The month looks like August to me. The 'f' shape for 's' is similar to older English. The u with a circle above it is consistent with the u in Juni and Juli.
Mike
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Could it be Ursular....spelling a ?
Annie
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As both names seem to be the same, it isn't just Austrian/German for "infant" is it?
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Month for (2nd) Taller looks to be Jun?
Annie
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I think the middle name is Josaf & the last letter on the 2 others have the same letter as (what looks like) the 'a' in Josaf i.e. possibly Ursula ?
Annie
Edit.....No, the 's' in what I thought was Josaf is different ::)
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Yes, it's German (or a derivative).
The month looks like August to me. The 'f' shape for 's' is similar to older English. The u with a circle above it is consistent with the u in Juni and Juli.
Mike
Yep THat makes sense thanks.
Could it be Ursular....spelling a ?
Annie
Thanks Annie, I've been pouring over this for ages and fresh eyes seem to have helped. I think you are right.
As both names seem to be the same, it isn't just Austrian/German for "infant" is it?
See I was wondering that too ... Annie seems to think Ursula which matches too.
THanks to everyone. I'll post some more later.
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See I was wondering that too ... Annie seems to think Ursula which matches too.
But......the 'S' in Josaf is different i.e. it's still a big ?
Are they all in the same hand, I've not had a chance to check until now?
Annie
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Same hand to me, sods law would have it those are the only 2 letters which seem to contradict ;D
Annie
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The middle name isn't one I'm looking at tbh as it's not a Thaller/Thaler/Taller.
I think they are in the same hand as the Surnames do appears very close especially the letters in the surnames.
Thanks :)
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The middle name isn't one I'm looking at tbh as it's not a Thaller/Thaler/Taller.
But for letter comparison you need to look at the middle one & there's a discrepancy with the 'S' as they both look different :-\
Annie
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Here is a wider sample of handwriting for the same era.
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If I'm right, this document is written using the German 'Kurrent' spelling. More on this can be found at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent) with another example at
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5f/3d/5d/5f3d5dfa53499751cb658a3f0c60bf45--handwriting-styles-old-handwriting.jpg (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5f/3d/5d/5f3d5dfa53499751cb658a3f0c60bf45--handwriting-styles-old-handwriting.jpg)
For example, an 'e' was written as an 'n'. Thaller is now a German surname but also means 'someone who lives in the valley' (Tal=valley). It's quite possible that the first name is Ursula. I read it as 'Umsehr': 'visitor/wanderer'.
Thaller/Taller are now surnames. They could also be designations for (anonymous) 'visitors/hikers from the valley'
Mike
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Thaler is my surname and these index entries are from the parish register in Poggersdorf in Austria.
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For example, an 'e' was written as an 'n'. Thaller is now a German surname but also means 'someone who lives in the valley' (Tal=valley). It's quite possible that the first name is Ursula. I read it as 'Umsehr': 'visitor/wanderer'.
Thaller/Taller are now surnames. They could also be designations for (anonymous) 'visitors/hikers from the valley'
I wouldn't argue with 'Umsehr' & a good find on possibles MM!
Annie
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Hello -
The names are Josef and Ursula - see www.deutsche-kurrentschrift.de
craggagh.
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Thanks all :)