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Title: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: PrawnCocktail on Thursday 17 August 17 23:48 BST (UK)
The long awaited Buckinghamshire PRs are at last online - BUT ....

All the marriages I have so far checked have the groom's surname and the bride's identical.

The banns are OK.

So beware.
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 18 August 17 00:22 BST (UK)
What level of transcription are they. Any details of witnesses etc, or just the where, when and who.?

Steve. :)
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: PrawnCocktail on Friday 18 August 17 00:32 BST (UK)
Got everything else - just not the Bride's surname!
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 18 August 17 00:35 BST (UK)
I've just looked at the years covered.  Some are 60 to 140 years short of what's available. ::)

I'll not bother. :(
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: mgeneas on Friday 18 August 17 00:40 BST (UK)
Some of the 1837 + ones are ok, they included witnesses
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 18 August 17 00:47 BST (UK)
I won't be subscribing to them, until all the little problems are ironed out, and the full extent of the years are available.
What's the point in paying for something, that's not quite there yet.

I hope their subscribers check the coverage, and the years, before signing up and paying for something that does not exist.....yet.

It's fine if they already susbcribe to the site.

As you can tell by my username, I am interested......but not yet. ;D
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: mgeneas on Friday 18 August 17 01:04 BST (UK)
They seem to be far from complete and many are BTs, why didn't they use the pr?
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 18 August 17 01:16 BST (UK)
They seem to be far from complete and many are BTs, why didn't they use the pr?

Sometimes BT's are all that's available, due to the Parish Registers being lost, damaged or burnt, over the centuries.  Especially during the Commonwealth period.
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 18 August 17 07:27 BST (UK)
I find similar with many of Find My Past's records - they "promise" more than they deliver.

Maybe I've just been unlucky but I very seldom find what I am looking for on FindMyPast. Others seem reasonably happy though ....
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: jillruss on Friday 18 August 17 10:43 BST (UK)
Oh dear! what an anticlimax! I've been waiting for these since the original announcement.

I rather thought I'd be disappointed but - really - isn't it strange that all my Russell male ancestors who married in Bucks seem to have married incestuously.....they kept that quiet!!

Hillbilly Jill
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: PrawnCocktail on Friday 18 August 17 10:49 BST (UK)
Oh dear! what an anticlimax! I've been waiting for these since the original announcement.

I rather thought I'd be disappointed but - really - isn't it strange that all my Russell male ancestors who married in Bucks seem to have married incestuously.....they kept that quiet!!

FindMyPast busy talking rubbish on Facebook at the moment - trying to make out that Bride's surnames aren't supposed to be included in the index ??? ??? ???

Not sure they've thought of the incest excuse yet   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: coombs on Friday 18 August 17 20:51 BST (UK)
Well I managed to find a marriage of my ancestor Nathaniel Keen in 1703 to Mary and parishes of residence and ages but yes, the surnames are identical. Either there was a lot of cousin marriages or they have made a huge error.  ;D

For the first time in yonks the FindMyPast Fridays have come in useful but even then they cannot get the names right. When they release the FindMyPast Friday records they have stopped people commenting through Facebook due to too much backlash from customers speaking the truth and pointing out glaring mistakes, or the fact most records are already online on other sites.
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: PrawnCocktail on Friday 18 August 17 21:01 BST (UK)
Well I managed to find a marriage of my ancestor Nathaniel Keen in 1703 to Mary and parishes of residence and ages but yes, the surnames are identical. Either there was a lot of cousin marriages or they have made a huge error.  ;D

They've now realistically admitted they have made a mistake.  ::) ::)

They said on Facebook,
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We believe we have identified how to improve this record set and hope to implement this in due course.

Just hope "due course" is quicker than I suspect.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: coombs on Friday 18 August 17 21:07 BST (UK)
Well I managed to find a marriage of my ancestor Nathaniel Keen in 1703 to Mary and parishes of residence and ages but yes, the surnames are identical. Either there was a lot of cousin marriages or they have made a huge error.  ;D

They've now realistically admitted they have made a mistake.  ::) ::)

They said on Facebook,
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We believe we have identified how to improve this record set and hope to implement this in due course.

Just hope "due course" is quicker than I suspect.  :-\ :-\

Lets hope so. Until now very few Bucks records have been online and these new records are a godsend. As I live 150 miles away from the RO it is a big godsend to me.
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: meeganf on Sunday 20 August 17 05:35 BST (UK)
Hi all
This is a disappointment - my cousin contacted them and FindMyPast said that is all they were given from the archive.
Know I'm not the only one but do like being able to see the image of the PR - more "authentic" and, also having done transcribing and knowing how hard so of the writing is to read, as a check that the transcription is correct

Are Bucks Co PR images available anywhere? Looked at Bucks FHS and they only mention transcribing and tried the Bucks Co archive but it was very confusing. Seems FamilySearch might have them but to be viewed at a Family History Centre - I was looking for Aylesbury

Does anyone know?
Cheers
Meegan
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Sunday 20 August 17 12:03 BST (UK)
The CBS has films, and I'm sure they hold the originals, (or they maybe held in the Oxford Diocese), but very few PR originals are available online, and what there is are usually non conformist.
I doubt very much you will get to see them in, even on a personal visit to the CBS. I believe there is restricted access to them, because of their delicate nature.
In all honesty, I have never asked to see the originals on previous visits to the CBS, as I had found what I needed on microfiche.
When printing off from microfiche, the resolution is not great.  Maybe some day they could remedy that, if they haven't already.

What I do know, is the fact that some of what used to be a free download, is only now available for a fee. Not sure how far the charges are going to go, but I guess in this day and age, they will spread further.

I suggest you contact the CBS for more information.

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/services/culture-and-leisure/centre-for-buckinghamshire-studies/

Quote.

'For entrance to the Archives search-room, a valid County Archives Research
Network (CARN) ticket should be produced, or else another form of identification
with name, address and signature, with which a CARN ticket can be issued.
(CARN tickets can be obtained for free in the Archives search-room when
visiting the Centre.) No member of the public has the right to see any original
document without producing or obtaining a CARN ticket or showing other valid
identification, unless (s)he is the owner of the document.
i) The Centre has the right to refuse public access to any document which, in the
opinion of the staff, is in a condition such that it will be damaged by being
produced. The decision of the staff on duty is final'.


http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/1590/access_policy.pdf

If anyone wants, what was a FREE download(with no restriction policy at the time), a Microsoft Excel list of Marriage Bonds(Licenses), please PM me, for a FREE copy.  There is now a fee in place at the CBS.

Steve. :)
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: PrawnCocktail on Monday 21 August 17 16:54 BST (UK)
Marriages now working correctly, such as they are.  :) :)

As Bucksboy says, there are huge gaps in the records - but it is still, for me, an improvement on nothing at all.
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 21 August 17 17:09 BST (UK)
I think they have just pulled the Buckinghamshire marriages dataset which wasn't working and left Bucks marriage index which was working. 
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Monday 21 August 17 18:22 BST (UK)
If people are 'paying as you go' for Credits, and not signed up for a monthly or yearly subscription......they'll vanish quite quickly.  But not having bought any credits, I'm really not sure if that is the case.

So, with access to partial Bucks records, they are only worth looking at if you have fully paid up subs.
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: mgeneas on Monday 21 August 17 18:27 BST (UK)
My Robert Bignell who married in Hughendon in 1764 now has a bride with correct last name.
But they have used the Bishops Transcripts. In the past I have seen microfilm of the parish register at the Family History Centre. Why on earth did they not use that?
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: jc26red on Monday 21 August 17 18:44 BST (UK)
I emailed FindMyPast the problem very early Friday morning and they said the technical team were working on a fix. I had another email from the technical team earlier today to say they had fixed the problem.

Although the database is far from complete and I was just checking for things I had might have missed at CBS, Slough library also has the PR films, I did manage to find a birth which was earlier than expected. :D

I will keep checking back as My dad's maternal line is completely Bucks!
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Monday 21 August 17 22:08 BST (UK)
As I've invested heavily in Buckinghamshire PR CD's, in the past, I will still use them instead of FindMyPast. No doubt there are Parishes in FindMyPast that I don't cover, but I'll go elsewhere for those. ::)

Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: ReadyDale on Monday 21 August 17 23:27 BST (UK)
Sorry to go off-topic, but it is related  ;D
Has anyone used the PR search facility available via the Bucks FHS website?
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: bucksboy on Monday 21 August 17 23:31 BST (UK)
http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php/database-searches

Yes, many many times. ;D

Steve. :)
Title: Re: Buckinghamshire Marriages on Find My Past
Post by: arabrab on Thursday 24 August 17 19:15 BST (UK)
You are very lucky to be able to use the Bucks FHS Parish Register CDs  as they don't run on my Apple  though to be fair, they do sell some booklet copies of the smaller parishes.