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I am unable to trace the birth of my paternal grandmother Ellen Evans - DOB approx 1877
Parents - Father - David Evans - DOB approx 1840
Mother - Mary Hughes (widow) formerly Roberts DOB approx 1836
Marriage registered 22/6/1868.
Ellen's christian name has a few variations - Elinor, Eleanor.
I have found her marriage in 1899 to Morgan Williams and thereafter she is listed on the 1901/1911
census and the 1939 register.
Any help with my search would be greatly appreciated - many thanks Anne Lewis
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The GRO index now show the maiden name on births; you would need to look for an Evans birth with maiden name of Roberts.
It is free to register. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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Do you have Ellen/Elinor on the 1881 census?
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Births from GRO with search 1877 + - 2 years:
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 512
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 561
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 308
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in RUTHIN Volume 11B Page 304
EVANS, ELLEN ELIZABETH mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 370
EVANS, ELLEN MARY mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in PWLLHELI UNION Volume 11B Page 477
EVANS, ELEANOR mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in HOLYWELL Volume 11B Page 266
EVANS, ELEANOR mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 472
EVANS, ELEANOR mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 310
What were any siblings names?
Jamjar
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Is this your David and Mary Evans, married Jun Qtr 1868, Swansea?
1871 Census RG10 5445 10 1481
David Evans, Head, 31, House Joiner, b. Llandilo, Carm.
Mary Evans, Wife, 35, b.Llangyfelach
Mary J Hughes, step dau, 14, b. llangyfelach
John Hughes, step son, 12, b. Llangyfelach
Margaret Evans**, dau, 2, b. Llangyfelach
Address Brynyfrydd, Llangyfelach
** GRO birth registration, Margaret Ann Evans, Jun Qtr, 1869, mother's maiden name Roberts
1881 RG11 5352 26 46
David Evans, Head, 41, Carpenter & Grocer, b. Llanddebia, Carm.
Mary Evans, Wife, 45, b. Llangyfelach
Margaret Evans, dau, 12, b. Llangyfelach
Elizabeth Evans**, dau, 8, b. Llangyfelach
Sarah Evans**, dau, 10, b. Llangyfelach
John Howell, son in law, 24, Potter in spelter works, b. Llangyfelach
Mary Jane Howell, dau, 24, wife (to potter in spelter works), b. Llangyfelach
Margaret Edith Howell, dau, 2, b. llangyfelach
Address - 15 Pentreharn Hill
I can find GRO birth registrations for Elizabeth (Jun Qtr 1873) and Sarah (Jun Qtr 1871) - mother Roberts
No sign of an Ellen Evans, born about 1878, either on GRO or the above '81 Census.
On the 1901 Census Ellen Williams, wife of Morgan, has place of birth "Cockett".
If you have her marriage cert what was Ellen's father's name and occupation?
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1891 Census RG12 4475 31 57
David Evans, Head, 51, Builder & Grocer, b, Llandebie
Mary Evans, Wife, 54, b. Brynhyfryd
Sarah Evans, dau, 20, Teacher and Grocer, b. Brynhyfryd
Lizzie Evans, dau, 18, House duty, b. Brynhyfryd
Edith Howells, step dau, 12, b. Brynhyfryd
Address Pentreharne Hill, Swansea
Again, no sign of an Ellen
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Is this Morgan and Ellen/Eleanor in 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXK-9SW
If so then I think this is likely to be Elinor, mother Mary and siblings in 1881:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-JLND
Her birth registration:
EVANS, ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: EMMANUEL
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 668
I can see the other EVANS children's births as well as Rachel THOMAS with mother's name as various versions of EMANUEL.
1871 (father is David EVAN/S)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BV-631
Debra :)
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Mary MANUEL/EMANUEL with first husband Howell THOMAS. I think that Mary Jane and Sarah's ages and order of birth are correct here in 1861 and wrong in 1871.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74B-4SK
Marriages Sep quarter 1855
MANUEL Mary
STANBURY Joseph
THOMAS Howell
Thomas Mary
Swansea 11a 642
A wild guess for the second marriage but the names are so common only Mary's father's details from the cert would confirm:
Marriages June quarter 1868
Evans David
Phillips John
Thomas Mary
Williams Sarah
Swansea 11a 795
Debra :)
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I had checked the GRO for Ellen Evans, Swansea around 1877/1878 - 3 came up with mother's maiden names Manwell (1876), Emmanuel (1877) and Beynon (1879).
There was also the baptism of an Ellen Louisa Evans, born 3 Dec 1877, bap 5 June 1878, mother Ellen Evans (no father), abode Swansea - place St. Mary's Church. However, this must be Louisa Ellen Evans, birth registered Mar Qtr 1878, Swansea, no mother's maiden name.
Elinor is with her mother, now a widow,in the household of her elder sister Rachel in 1891 - still in the St. John's area.
Hopefully, the marriage cert. and father's name/occupation can help resolve the issue.
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1901 Census - RG13 5072 167 41
Dd Evans, 61, Clerk of Works (School Board) and Grocer, b. Llandebie + Mary, 65, b. Swansea + Sara, 30 - still at 15 Pentreharne Hill.
Roll on 1898 marriage cert. details!.
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first marriage 4 Aug 1855 in St John's juxta Swansea
Howell Thomas aged 21, collier, of Pentre Estyll, father William, collier to Mary Manuel aged 19 of Pentre Estyll, father Thomas, collier. Witnesses Thomas Manuel & Morgan Lewis, Morgan being the only one to sign, others by mark.
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Help required please on searching for the following person
Ellen Evans (Elinor, Eleanor) - DOB 1875/78 - Swansea West Glamorgan
Married Morgan Willaims 28/10/1899 in Swansea
I can trace Ellen on the 1901/1911 census & the 1939 Register - but l have failed to trace her birth.
Father - David Evans - DOB 1840 - married Mary Hughes - Hughes was the first marriage - maiden name Roberts - married David Evans 22/6/1868 in Swansea. Many thanks in advance Anne Lewis
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If you have found Ellen on the 1939 Register it should list her date of birth which may help .
Also have you tried the GRO Birth Index which lists mothers maiden names? https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Kay
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Threads merged.
previous search which puts doubt on the parents being David Evans and Mary Hughes née Roberts.
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Have asked moderator to merge threads to avoid going over the same ground
Anne - as you now have her exact date of marriage I assume you have bought the marriage cert as per suggestion on previous thread. Is that correct?
Does it confirm her fathers name as David and if so - what was his occupation?
Who were the witnesses?
Where did you get her mothers name and maiden name from?