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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: colcal on Wednesday 23 August 17 21:08 BST (UK)
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I am having one more attempt to find a man called Alexander Robertson. He was living at 21 Crown Street, Glasgow in 1918. I found a man called Alexander Robertson on the valuation rolls and it stated that he was a craneman. I know he was a quay labourer so perhaps that involved using a crane. If anyone has family called Robertson that lived in Crown st or records of dock labourers, i would love to hear from you.
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When and where was he born?
Who were his parents?
Who did he marry?
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Hello Sancti
This is my delema. I only have him as the father of of child called Daniel in 1918 on his birth certificate. Unfortunately the child died a few months later. The mothers name was Sarah Ann Donnelly (maiden name Kivlochan) and the address given was 21 Crown Street. I have researched Sarah Ann but she did not marry him, probably had another child by him and died in 1926. I have spent years looking for Alexander but with no birth date, no birth place, only Alexander Robertson, quay labourer, 21, Crown Street, fathered a child in 1918 to go on.
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Alexander Robertson, a Craneman, is at 234 Crown St, Gorbals on the Valuation Rolls for 1915, 1920 and 1925. I don't see him there in 1930.
On the Glasgow Electoral Registers, at 234 Crown Street, Gorbals in 1919, there is...
Alexander Robertson
Mrs Margaret Robertson
Robert Robertson
Robert Robertson
Thomas Robertson.
There is no way of knowing how they are related to one another. Margaret Robertson may, or may not be his wife. But if she is Alexander would have to be reasonably old by this time, because if the others are his children they would have to be over 18 (or is it 21) to get their names on the Electoral Register like this.
Perhaps the child Daniel was born at 21 Crown St because it was the home of a midwife, who could deliver babies. My G/grandmother and also my grandmother did this. The G/grandmother was fully qualified but not my Grandmother. She was competent enough to help a few friends out though. Just guessing....
The name Alexander Robertson is difficult to work with. Hundreds of them come up when you try searches.
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Hmmmm.
Could the errant father of Daniel be a son of the Alexander Robertson who was head of the household in 1919?
Go for Thomas, because Thomas is the least common of the given names listed in the register of electors. If he was old enough to vote in 1919, he must have been at least 21, therefore he should be in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses.
There are 15 Thomas Robertsons aged 10 or more in the 1911 census in Glasgow with a Robert on the same page of the census. Look them up on the SP index and make a note of their ages, the name of the district and the reference number. Then run the same search but with Margaret instead of Robert, and see if there are any that match. Then do it again using Alexander instead of Robert and see if any of them match. If they do, take a look at the census record.
This is, of course, making certain assumptions, in particular assuming that this family was in Glasgow in 1911, and that Margaret is not a second wife of Alexander. It may not work, but it's worth a try.
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A craneman is a labourer, pronounced cranman in Glasgow, I was one once! ;D
Skoosh.
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Hello Sancti
This is my delema. I only have him as the father of of child called Daniel in 1918 on his birth certificate. Unfortunately the child died a few months later. The mothers name was Sarah Ann Donnelly (maiden name Kivlochan) and the address given was 21 Crown Street. I have researched Sarah Ann but she did not marry him, probably had another child by him and died in 1926. I have spent years looking for Alexander but with no birth date, no birth place, only Alexander Robertson, quay labourer, 21, Crown Street, fathered a child in 1918 to go on.
What address did the baby die at?
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Hello Sancti,
Unfortunately the baby, Daniel, died in hospital at the age of 6 weeks, Dennistoun.
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Unfortunately the baby, Daniel, died in hospital at the age of 6 weeks, Dennistoun.
Glasgow Royal Infirmary is/was in Dennistoun registra\tion district.
A death certificate of someone who dies in hospital normally gives their usual residence, but it is more likely to have been the mother's rather than the father's address if they did not live together.
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Thank you all for your help.
As suggested by Forfarian, i have been cross referencing the children of a Alexander Robertson who lived in Crown Street. Would that district be Hutchesontown?
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Thank you Forfarian,
Oh, i assumed it was his address because she had lived at 126, Blackburn st for quite a while and later in 1920 at 22 Green St but i have not seen her down anywhere as living in Crown St. Back to the drawing board for me.
Kind regards Colcal
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Did the baby's birth record state the date and place of parents marriage?
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No because the parents were not married. It says father Alexander Robertson, quay labourer and mother Sarah Ann Donnelly nee Kivlochan and address 21 Crown St.
Kind regards Colcal
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Was he recorded as illegitimate?
Did the father register the birth?
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Yes it was recorded as an illegitimate birth and apparently very unusually the father was there to record and sign the death certificate
Regards colcal
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It sounds like the parents were living together.
Who was the informant when the mother died?
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The informant who registered the mothers death was her daughter Sarah. I have researched her and found that she never married and the only living relative i have been in touch with is the daughter of Sarahs brother but unfortunately nothing was spoken about or written about their mother Sarah Ann and Alexander Robertson.
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Hutchesontown, part of the Gorbals east of Crown Street.
Skoosh.
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How was she described as on her death record?
Widow of, or married to?
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Hi Skoosh,
She was discribed as Sarah Ann Donnelly nee Kivlochan, widow of Hugh Donnelly.
Regards colcal
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Hi colcal,
The 1918 Glasgow electoral register lists an Alexander Robertson, dock labourer, as living at 6 Plantation Street. From what I can see on a map, this is very close to Blackburn Street where you mentioned Sarah had been living (and on the presumption she was there in 1918 as that street is not listed in the same electoral register). Both of these streets however, appear to be more than a casual stroll to Crown Street but I'm not local to Glasgow so this is only my observation!
There is also a Mrs Sarah A. Donnelly listed in the same register but residing at Copland Road, Govan - about the same distance as Crown St from Blackburn & Plantation, but west.
These may or may not be your people but they may possibly throw up another option for you!
Regards,
Andrea
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Hi colcal,
Sending PM with possible exciting find ;D
Andrea