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Title: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: Damuan187 on Saturday 26 August 17 19:29 BST (UK)
Hello iam looking for:

Rose and crown pub in llandeilo,

and The three compass pub

Also Manchester house does anyone know where this place are and address.

as my family member lived there.

any help will be greatful

thanks damian healey
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 26 August 17 20:21 BST (UK)
Have you tried contacting the library in Llandeilo?  Carmarthenshire Records Office may also be of assistance to you.

Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: groom on Saturday 26 August 17 20:22 BST (UK)
Have you got any names and dates when they were there as this may help us find them? Do you have them in any census?
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: Damuan187 on Saturday 26 August 17 21:32 BST (UK)
hello I have been today to llandeilo and ask in the local library but the pubs might closed not around in llandeilo .

Also the the rose and crown inn was not my 4th great grandfather grave stone.

1881 cenus was my great grandfather living in Manchester house
1861 cennus was my 2nd great father was in the three compass in llandeilo

that the date trying to locate where they living

and help will greats damian
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: groom on Saturday 26 August 17 21:45 BST (UK)
Can you give us his name and date of birth please so that we can look at the actual census.
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: anthonygos on Saturday 26 August 17 22:38 BST (UK)
Don't think there is a Rose & Crown in Llandeilo town, but is one in Upper Brynamman which would have come under Llandeilo-Fawr RD Council.
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: Damuan187 on Saturday 26 August 17 23:02 BST (UK)
hello:

thanks for you help so far, 

Thomas Griffiths b: 1851 living in Three compass in llandeilo ,
 married in 1874 to Rachel Davies in llandeilo.
Died in llandeilo 1922  also not sure where Thomas Griffiths in 1871

John rees Griffiths son to Thomas Griffiths living in machester house 1881. with parents

Also Prosser Davies in llandeilo  D: 1877 on grave stone from rose and crown I think prosser Davies is Rees Davies father from llandeilo.

Hope this helps

thanks damian
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: groom on Saturday 26 August 17 23:25 BST (UK)
I don't think we are looking for a publican here are we, as the censuses gives his occupation as shoemaker if I'm looking at the right one?  Manchester House looks as if it was a large house divided up with several families living there. It's in Carmarthen Street.
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: groom on Saturday 26 August 17 23:53 BST (UK)
Rose and Crown is mentioned here  "Rose and Crown at Rhos-maen Street (last thatched roof Inn in town)"

http://www.llandeilo.org/good_old_days.html

It says that in 1858 Llandeilo was a little town of 290 houses; 11 streets; 73 shops; 23 public houses; 4 chapels; and a church.  That's almost 1 pub for every 10 houses. ;D
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: Damuan187 on Sunday 27 August 17 01:51 BST (UK)
hello: groom

Thank you so much for all help, I had look on google street view could not find Manchester house in
Carmarthen street I wonder what number is in the street. 
or rose and crown with a thatched roof. in rhosmaen street llandeilo.

Also where did find about Manchester house.

I wonder is there any photo of the these place.

do know where to three compass is

thank for work damian
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: groom on Sunday 27 August 17 08:56 BST (UK)
You need to look at the actual image of the census rather than just the transcription, that way you can see what other houses are in the road and who else is in the building. I would guess that all those houses and pubs may have been demolished now, so you would need to find an old map of the area. Without going back and finding the census I think the next house was number 5.

If you don't already have a subscription Ancestry has a free weekend this weekend, so you could use that to view the census images.
Title: Re: Rose and crown in llandeilo and Manchester hosue
Post by: Damuan187 on Thursday 31 August 17 22:38 BST (UK)
hello: groom

Thank you for all help and advice thank you

damian