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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: BUZZ on Sunday 27 August 17 11:13 BST (UK)
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This topic is about Arthur George Aylott who was christened on the 25/9/1859 at Great Hormead Herts.
By the 1901 census Rg13 271 15 21 under the surname Haylott, Arthur is living with his second wife Sarah his son Ernest from his first marriage and also his and Sarah's children Arthur,Emma,George, Frederick and Alexander also lodger William Williams.
I cannot find Arthur on the 1911 census.
By now Arthur's eldest daughter Ada from his first marriage has married William Williams they are living at 54 Stockdale Road Battersea London also living with them is Arthur and Sarah's son Frederick.
On the 28/7/1912 Arthur and Sarah's daughter Emma marries Joseph Minzey at Shoreditch London on the marriage certificate Emma does not state her father is deceased, I'm thinking that Arthur and Sarah are still living in Shoreditch which they were in 1901.
In 1915 on the 17 of March Arthur and Sarah's son George marries Martha Albin at Lewisham but I think this maybe under military circumstances because all I can find it under is military papers and there is nothing about Arthur on the papers.
On the 17/6/1918 Arthur's eldest daughter Ada marries her second husband Harry Palfrey at West Ham register office on the marriage certificate Ada states her father has died.
I can't find any death for Arthur between 1912 when Emma marries and 1918 when Ada marries.
On Ancestry on the family tree section a number of trees state that Arthur died in 1932 in Gainsborough I cannot find Arthur on the 1939 register.
Would anyone who has access to Gainsborough records be able to tell me details of the Arthur G Aylott who died in 1932.
Buzz
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What happens to wife Sarah, do you know when she died or if she remarried?
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The 1915 marriage of George Aylott and Martha L Albin appears in the civil registration index in the usual way (Mar qtr 1915 Lewisham), so that certificate is available to be ordered if you wish.
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From freereg
Gainsborough Holy Trinity
Burial date 13 Apr 1932
Person age 74
Arthur George AYLOTT
abode Cartherine Place
Free search of 1939 register for Gainsborough UD has only one entry - Sarah J Aylott bn 1873
That would tie in with this couple in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YD-Z87
Probably this marriage
Sep qtr 1910
AYLOTT Arthur G
Skellett Sarah J
Lincoln 7a 1245
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Thank you for your replies.
The family trees on Ancestry all have the death for Sarah as 1935 age 68 in Edmonton I would think this was because Arthur and Sarah had been living in the Edmonton area in the 1881 and 1891 census but not in the 1901 census when they were living in Shoreditch which also was where Emma was married.
The 1911 census for Arthur and Sarah has Arthur's birthplace as Croydon where as the Arthur I am trying to locate was christened in Hertfordshire.
I think I will be looking forward to the release of the 1921 census.
Buzz
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Can you see an Arthur George Aylott born Croydon on any other census :-\
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AYLOTT, ELIZA ELIZABETH mmn LYONS
1904 June Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 41
Deaths Jun 1905
Aylott Eliza Elizabeth (10 weeks :-\ )
Shoreditch 1c 44
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Could this be Sarah's death - her age in 1891 was 25
Deaths Mar 1907
AYLOTT Sarah Elizabeth
age 41 W. Ham 4a 193
She is buried at Chingford Mount Cemetery
The other two Sarah Aylotts born around the same time appear in 1901 in Fulham & Stockport, they are still there ten years later
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Spot on for age.
According to her baptism at Holy Trinity Hoxton, Sarah Elizabeth Cattle was born 14 May 1865.
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Just because it doesn't say deceased on the marriage cert. doesn't mean he was alive, I have several relatives who didn't put deceased on the cert. when their father was dead - maybe they weren't asked the question.
:)
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She is buried at Chingford Mount Cemetery
26 February 1907. Interment number 74604.
We should be able to see the image, with more details including her address.
But...
There are a lot of missing folios
I'm disappointed by the Chingford Mount screw up
BUZZ will be disappointed too.
Folios 210 and 211 of the Chingford Burial Register 1906-1907 have been skipped by ancestry.
I noticed some others browsing through. Sarah would have been on 210.
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I had seen the death in 1907 but seeing it was West Ham wasn't sure.
But the one reason I think you may have found the correct death is that Chingford Mount cemetery is where Arthur and Sarah's youngest child Alexander William was buried in 1905.
Buzz
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Chingford Mount cemetery is where Arthur and Sarah's youngest child Alexander William was buried in 1905.
1 May 1905. Interment Number 68786
That's missing too.
Would be on folio 105 of the 1905 Burial Register.
Folios 105, 106, 107 missing on ancestry.
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Arthur and Sarah's youngest child Alexander William
See Reply #6
AYLOTT, ELIZA ELIZABETH mmn LYONS
1904 June Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 41
Although mmn should be CATTLE. Sarah was a widow when she married Arthur Aylott in 1883. Her father Samuel Cattle was with them in 1891.
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I had seen the death in 1907 but seeing it was West Ham wasn't sure.
You could have mentioned it!
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Yes I should have mentioned the West Ham death but because I think it's not on any of the family trees on Ancestry it could not be the correct one.
I didn't know about Eliza Elizabeth's short life in 1905 as I was going by the 1901 census.
Also there is a death for a Arthur George Aylott in 1947 at Edmonton with the correct age but because I could not find Arthur in the 1939 register I didn't think this was correct, but maybe he slipped through the net.
Perhaps the Arthur that died in 1947 is also buried at Chingford Mount cemetery.
Regarding the 1911 census in Lincoln on the actual form filled in for Arthur and Sarah there is a question mark for how long they have been married but also it states they have had 5 children so I think this is not the correct Arthur seeing that Sarah Elizabeth died in 1907 unless Arthur was leading a double life at quite a distance.
I have relatives buried at Chingford Mount cemetery so next time I go I will ask at the office if they can give me any information on Sarah and her children and if the 1947 Arthur is buried there.
Buzz
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The 1947 Edmonton death is for an Arthur Aylott no middle initial. I think that is likely to be the one whose birth was registered in Edmonton reg district in Dec qtr 1865
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Besides Sarah Elizabeth Aylott dying in 1907 age 41, there is also a death for a Arthur Aylott age 42, a little bit out on the age for the Arthur that I'm looking for but mistakes happen, and also a Robert Aylott age 58, all in West Ham in the March quarter in 1907 perhaps there was a tragic accident.
Buzz
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From freereg
Gainsborough Holy Trinity
Burial date 13 Apr 1932
Person age 74
Arthur George AYLOTT
abode Cartherine Place
Free search of 1939 register for Gainsborough UD has only one entry - Sarah J Aylott bn 1873
That would tie in with this couple in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YD-Z87
Probably this marriage
Sep qtr 1910
AYLOTT Arthur G
Skellett Sarah J
Lincoln 7a 1245
Service carried out at Holy Trinity Church, interment, plus another burial in the general cemetery
Interment Details
Authority
Gainsborough
Cemetery
Gainsborough General Cemetery
Grave reference
ACO /3392
AYLOTT, SARAH JANE
09 June 1943, age 70, widow, address 11 Britannia Cottages
AYLOTT, ARTHUR GEORGE
13 April 1932
Aged 74, Abode for George is 12 Catherine Place, engineer
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Thank you Glen for your reply.
There is something that doesn't add up with this couple.
On the 1911 census where it states how many years have they been married there is a question mark, if you've only been married for one year you're not going to forget that and then they put that they have had five children only two are still living.
The Arthur George Aylott that I'm trying to trace, his second wife Sarah Elizabeth dies in 1907 in West Ham, if he is the correct person and meets Sarah Jane straight away it would be a tall order to have five children in four years before the 1911 census.
Also the children would be very young why are they not living with their parents especially if you have lost three children.
If this is the correct Arthur was he leading a double life.
If this is the Arthur I'm trying to trace why did his daughter Ada state on her marriage certificate in 1918 that her father had died, had they lost contact and she assumed he had died.
And last of all when Sarah Elizabeth Aylott dies in1907 in West Ham there are two other people who die with the surname Aylott( not a common name) in the same quarter one being a Arthur George Aylott was there some family tragedy.
I'm puzzled buzz
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Perhaps he was just confused about which marriage to put in due to the question about children as he had them from his first marriage.
I have found on a second marriage that sometimes children from the first marriage end up with relatives, usually grandparents .
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The old family mysteries eh. My birth father had several children to different women and not long after I came along left my mother and took up with another woman, for some reason they both changed their names by deed poll and a few months later married. I'll never know why the name change went through or how she made an "honest" man of him, maybe he thought 15+ kids was enough.
In an odd coincidence to your query I was adopted by a couple and lived just a hundred yards from Holy Trinity in Gainsborough, my avatar pic taken in the back yard of the house almost overlooked by the church.