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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Ellenmai on Monday 28 August 17 14:45 BST (UK)
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I have found information regarding a marriage that took place 12/3/1913 from the Groom's Military records and it states it took place at The Register Office, Valley, Anglesey. Does anyone know if there was a Register Office there at that time? On the Marriage Index there is a marriage registered at Holyhead that year, the Groom's name is correct, Bride's first name also correct but her surname is different.
Also would the information on this marriage be kept at the Anglesey Archive ? ???
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I think that only parish registers are kept at archives; for a Register Office marriage you need to buy the certificate.
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Thanks Nanny Jan, I thought as much :-\
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If you contact the Registrar in Holyhead, he/she should know if there was ever an office at Valley.
https://www.yell.com/biz/registration-of-births-deaths-and-marriages-holyhead-4105407/
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An index of Anglesey marriages - transcribed from marriage records - has only one marriage dated 12/3/1913. This occurred at Moriah Chapel, Llangefni so is not a marriage which would have been registered at Holyhead.
(This marriage was between Richard Jones, 40, bach., farmer and Margaret Williams, 45, widow, dau. of Richard Edwards).
I can look for details of the marriage you refer to if you can supply the names you have.
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I presume that the marriage index that DragonT refers to is drawn from religious sources. However, Ellenmai, you clearly state that the marriage took place in a Register Office -- at Valley. I would think you will have to contact the Registration Service in Anglesey as they will be the only people (apart from the General Register Office, Southport) with access to Register Office weddings.
http://www.anglesey.gov.uk/community/birth-marriage-and-death/tracing-your-family-tree/
may be of help.
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Was this the marriage? On 13 Mar 1913 at Holyhead Registry Office between Harold Lock, 21, b., hawker & horse dealer of Turkey Shore, Holyhead, son of John Lock, horse dealer and Louie Smith, 20, s, Turkey Shore, dau. of Dauval Smith, horse dealer.
This marriage index is complete for all marriages on the Isle of Anglesey from 1837.
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Looks like the correct one from the military record, DT - marriage recorded as 12th at Valley between the persons you have named.
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Thank you all very much for your various responses ;D
I sent an e-mail to the Anglesey Archive Friday and received a very quick reply this morning (Well done Anglesey Archive :)) with the same details you found DragonT, could I ask where you got the information from? Is there any witness names on the record? Thank you so much for looking and finding it for me.
Harold's family were living at Turkey Shore, Holyhead on the 1911 Census so now I can research his family, but I can't find Louie's family anywhere :'(
Diolch/Thank you all again
Ellenmai
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This was the neaest that I found for Louie but father's name William:
1901
Caravan, ? work, LLanwenllwyfo, Anglesey (not sure of parish spelling)***
RG13/5293/128/13-14
William Smith, 30, itinerant tinsmith, b. Caersws, Mont
Liza, 30, hawker, b. Wellington, Shropshire
William, 8, b. Shropshire
Louie, 6, b. -do-, Water Upton (also known as Upton Parva - near Telfrod)
Miranda, 7 mths, b. Menai Bridge
***Added: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llanwenllwyfo
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Thanks for looking Gadget it's much appreciated, researching Louie is a nightmare ???
Her Marriage states her surname is Smith.
Husbands Military record states it's Lock.
On the birth index for her two daughters it states mother's maiden name Lock.
So I just don't know where to look next as there doesn't appear to be a Dauval Smith on any Census.
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Just wondering whether you might put a query on the Travelling People board with a link to this thread. Member Steve G ( http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=34019 )
is very knowledgeable and has a website that might help.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget I will do that, but not sure how to add the link. If I post the question could you add the link for me please?
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If you can't, I'll certainly added it for you :)
If you copy this link and paste it into your post on the other board, it should work
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777938.0
I'll look out for you.
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Just to add that the Louie on the 1901, born Shropshire, fits the age
on the marriage entry. that you've given on the other thread.
Gadget
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I sent an e-mail to the Anglesey Archive Friday and received a very quick reply this morning (Well done Anglesey Archive :)) with the same details you found DragonT, could I ask where you got the information from? Is there any witness names on the record?
As I mentioned the details are from an index of Anglesey marriages post 1837 and there are no witness names in the transcriptions.
I've seen your earlier post concerning this family on the Travelling people section of Rootschat (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775539.0 ) and I've searched for other Anglesey records for them.
I think I have found Harold Lock's birth registration - with the name of Harold Denis Bosswell!
Harold Denis son of John Bosswell & Eliza Pritchard 23 Apr 1892, Llangadwalader. The surname is also Bosswell on FreeBMD - Jun 1892, Bangor 11b 453.
It looks like the following are the siblings of Harold whose births were registered on Anglesey.
Gerald Frasker son of John Boswell & Eliza Pritchard 7 Mar 1890, Llangefni
Ronald son of John Boswell & Eliza Pritchard 21 Jun 1900 Llandysilio
Eliza Dorothy dau of John Boswell & Eliza Pritchard 13 Dec 1902 Llanfair PG
Eliza Dorothy dau of John Boswell & Eliza Pritchard 03 Dec 1904 Holyhead
I'll also check for other marriages and death registrations.
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I can only find the following references to John Lock, which you may already have.
Marriage:
Alexander Lock, 23, b, carter of 42 Holborn Rd, Holyhead, son of John Lock, carter married Edith Wynne Jones, 23, s, domestic servant of 42 Holborn Rd, Holyhead dau. of Griffith Jones (deceased) on 11 Sep 1920 at St Cybi's Church. The image is on FindmyPast.
Death Registration:
Eliza Lock, 26 Mar 1952 age 80, The Bungalow, High St., Menai Bridge, Llandysilio, wife of retired general dealer John Lock. Informant D. T. Lock, son.
John Lock, 7 Oct 1956 age 94, The Bungalow, off High St., Menai Bridge, Llandysilio, retired scrap merchant. Informant H. Lock, son.
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This is an article from May 1916 - http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3413286/3413293/81/ involving both Samuel and Harold Lock and their tribulations with the army.
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Nothing more on the Smiths but I'm not sure what their Romany name was.
This link might be of use:
http://www.valleystream.co.uk/romany-lock.htm
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Thank you all yet again for the wonderful response and research you have done. Dragon T I don't think that family including Harold Denis Boswell, Gerald Ronald & Eliza Dorothy can be the right ones. On the 1911 Census it states John & Eliza have seven children but none of these names are showing also Rona was born 1902 the same year a Eliza Dorothy ??? The information On Alexander is what I have, plus you have given more detail.
Mabel B That Newspaper article was an excellent find :)
Gadget that article on Welsh Gypsy's is very good as it seems they did change their name when it suited from Lock to Boswell. Whilst searching the indexes I found a David Lock's Burial in 1854 at Llaniestyn and it states he was otherwise known as Boswell, but I have yet to find out where he fits in with this family.
Ellenmai