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My great grandfathers name is william monaghan. He lived in garston liverpool. He was a Master Mariner or so it says on my grandparents wedding certificate. I cant find him anywhere other than 1891 census on whitley st garston as an AB seaman.where do i go next, other than crazy? Hello allan the garstonite!
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Hi sikeywabbit,
Have you got his DoB and marriage date and you grand mothers maiden name?
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A previous thread with more info http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=668675.msg5568655#msg5568655
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That is my grandfather. Its my great grandfather i need help with
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Have you found William's marriage cert to Mary Ellen that should confirm his father's name and occupation?? On your previous thread Galium suggested
"There is no Jane Monaghan (daughter of William) birth registered anywhere in England and Wales during 1887/8.
However, the birth of Jane Jackson registered in West Derby district (includes Garston) in December Q of 1887.
Jane Jackson d/o Thomas and Mary Elizabeth* was baptised 11 October 1887 at St Michael, Garston. Thomas is a labourer and the family live at Windon Lane, Garston.
*Thomas Jackson married Mary Ellen Hughes at St Peter Liverpool in 1887.
Sorry, this isn't helping you find William, but it's possible that his wife is Mary Ellen Hughes, not Jones."
Since this thread the GRO Birth index is now available which gives the mothers maiden name and I think his son James Henry b about 1889 Gaston is
JAMES HENRY MONAGHON mothers maiden name HUGHES
GRO 1890 M Quarter 1890 in WEST DERBY Vol 08B Page 626
If William's wife's original maiden name was Hughes then this transcribed marriage that Galium suggested from Anc does look likely and lists his father as John Monaghan
William Monaghan to Mary Ellen Jackson
Marriage 11 Mar 1889 Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Father - John Monaghan
Spouse's father - James Hughes
Not that it helps much at the moment :-\
Kay
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Jane and James are both noted in the 1891 census. Jane was born in 1887, James in 1889. They lived on whitley st i. Garston liverpool. William was also listed as an AB seaman.
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Their name is Monaghan. Their mothers name is Mary Ellen Jones.
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On the 1891 census the street is Wilson Grove, is this correct?
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Their name is Monaghan. Their mothers name is Mary Ellen Jones.
The spelling of Monaghan might be mistranscribed in records or the census. Have you found James Henry's birth cert which would confirm his mother's maiden name??
Kay
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Havent got that far. I did see my grandparents entry into the parish records that confirms everything I have said. Monaghan is the way that we have alwsys spelled it
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Monaghan is the way that we have always spelled it
Just because you have always used a spelling doesn't mean that everyone else did. People wrote down what they thought they heard rather than what was being said.
I have found my ggg gf's surname spelled in 8 different ways, none of which matches mine!
I believe that Monaghan is an Anglicisation of something in Irish. I bet that conversion was done in half a dozen different ways originally, and most of them have undergone changes since.
So be prepared to search for different spellings. The good news is that wildcards in searches are your friend!
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Lol, i understand that. My surname is Peake. My great gramdfather was listed as Peak. Go figure!
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Looked on the crew list project 1863-1913 and only one William Monaghan is listed
Is this your man?
MONAGHAN WILLIAM, Age-21, Born- LIVERPOOL, (No Capacity what he was is not stated), Vessel-MAID OF MONA, List Starts-1/7/1876, Previous ship-REWARD, Previous ship year-1876, Official number-45475 I.O.M, Source I.D-176734.
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Good Morning - sorry about the delay - wifes Birthday on Monday and we have been in Blackpool
- Maid of Mona was an Isle of Man Ferry - pretty certain that the Monaghan family moved from Garston to The Dingle ( part of Toxteth ) I know a Tony Monaghan and I will contact him - do you have any relations named Tony Monaghan ??
Whitley Street - right opposite Garston Gasworks and my wifes cousins were born there - Garston is nicknamed "Little Wicklow " because the vast majority of the Irish who settled here came from Wicklow - so maybe have a look on familysearch for a John Monaghan born Wicklow .
our family church - St Michaels ,Garston has a christening of John Henry Monaghan born 2nd feb 1890 - christened 2nd March 1890 - parents William and Mary Ellen
in the 1881 census we have in Garston- Mathew Monaghan b 1862 in Ireland - could he be Williams brother / Matthew is 18 and is a Seaman - did Matthew arrive here before William ?? cos I can't find William Monaghan in 1881 census
buried in St Michaels 16th July 1893 - Mary Ellen Monaghan - I presume this is your Great Grandmother ?
so I am going to see if I can find Matthew Monaghan in 1891 census - the thing is if William and Matthew are both at sea you won't find them in census returns and if Mary Ellen died in 1893 - who looked after John Henry Monaghan ??....or - is that burial of Mary Ellen Monaghan a sister of John Henry??
anyway - The Mariners pub here in Garston is full of old salty dogs who may be able to advise me :)
back later
Name James Henry Monaghan
Residence Place Garston, Lancashire, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 02 Mar 1890
Christening Date (Original) 2 Mar 1890
Christening Place St. Michael's, Garston, Lancaster, England
Father's Name William Monaghan
Mother's Name Mary Ellen
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I wondered if this might be William in 1881 working as a AB seaman https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-TKTT
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I think Kay is right - Thomas Jackson was buried 27th May 1888 here in Garston - a year after they married and it looks like his widow Mary Ellen Jackson married William Monaghan 11th march 1889 - James Henry b 2nd feb 1890 - everything fits in - so I agree with Kay
Mary Ellen was a Hughes - not a Jones - she was born in Everton in 1867 and her parents were John Hughes and Annie in 1881- and they lived in Wellington Street,Garston ( quite posh then )
aha - he worked in the Copper works and he was from Holywell, Wales andAnnie was from Preston .The English didn't know how to work Copper - the Welsh did so a huge amount of Welsh were brought here ....
John Hughes
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Garston, Lancashire, England
Registration District West Derby
Residence Note Wellington Street
Gender Male
Age 38
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation Warehouseman In Copper Who Manufs
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
Annie Hughes Wife F 34 Preston, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Hughes Daughter F 14 Everton, Lancashire, England
Annie Hughes Daughter F 12 Everton, Lancashire, England
Jane Hughes Daughter F 10 Garston, Lancashire, England
John Walter Hughes Son M 7 Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Emily Hughes Daughter F 5 Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Joseph Hughes Son M 3 Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Frank Hunt Hughes Son M 2 Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Charles Wynne Hughes Son M 0 Wallasey, Cheshire,
need to see if that record of William Monaghan aged 21 being born Liverpool on his ships log is correct ? is so I doubt if Matthew is related unless he is a nephew of John Monaghan :)
added - looks like John Hughes married Annie Murray in 1864...West Derby ,Liverpool ?...needs checking out
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Looked on the crew list project 1863-1913 and only one William Monaghan is listed
Is this your man?
MONAGHAN WILLIAM, Age-21, Born- LIVERPOOL, (No Capacity what he was is not stated), Vessel-MAID OF MONA, List Starts-1/7/1876, Previous ship-REWARD, Previous ship year-1876, Official number-45475 I.O.M, Source I.D-176734.
definitely looks like him -
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James henry is me grandad. I have a death certificate for mary ellen but I dont think its her. Her dad is present at the death and is listed as David Griffiths but her maiden name was Jones.
I havent found an Irish connection. William Monaghan was said to been born in Bootle.