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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: ainslie on Wednesday 30 August 17 12:38 BST (UK)
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Henry North was born in Liverpool, UK in 1836, son of John North (an attorney) and his wife Ellen.
In 1864 Henry was married to Adah Mann, and their first son, Lowry William, was born two years later. A second son Samuel followed in 1867. Adah died in 1869, and it is believed that the sons were looked after by relatives, while Henry is understood to have left for the United States.
Lowry is understood to have emigrated to New Zealand.
The sons are proving hard to trace in UK census material, but the aim of this post is to ask if the fate of Henry North is known to anyone in the United States. I realise this is an outside chance, but RootsChat has been a great source for me and others in the past.
Ainslie
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What was Henry's occupation? There is this Henry on a passenger list, his occupation looks like gardener
Henry North
Arrival Date: 26 Feb 1873
Birth : abt 1835 Age: 38
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Sailed on "City of Brooklyn"
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Thanks for a rapid reply. The occupation Henry had on the 1861 and '71 census was 'insurance broker', but if he was making for a new life he might have put anything down. We cannot rule him out!
Ainslie
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There are several Henry Norths from England in the 1880 US census. The most likely candidate is a 40 year old stockbroker, a widower, who is boarding at 463 West 21st Street in New York.
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Thank you,ShaunJ. That seems a more likely occupation for Henry than gardener.
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Possible burial at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn on 21 April 1900. This one died 18 April 1900 aged 63.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=163165850&ref=acom
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Presumably you have this from Alumni Cantabrigienses:
"NORTH, LOWRY WILLIAM. Adm. pens. (age 18) at Jesus, Oct. 1885. S. of Henry, Esq. [of London, and the U.S.A.]. B. at Wallasey, Cheshire. School, Radley. Matric. Michs. 1885. Football (assoc.) ' blue,' 1888. A sheep-farmer in New Zealand."
Lowry came back to the UK for a while in 1909 and you should be able to find him in the 1911 census.
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Great finds, thanks again. I had most of that info on Lowry, the elder son but am also seeking the younger son Samuel, birth regn Andover, Hants, Q3 1867. Nothing found so far.
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What about the first child Ellen (1865)? What happened to her?
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She is just as elusive, though very possibly in 1871 at Winscombe, Somerset. A tangled web...
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Lowry is in the 1881 census at Radley College. Do you have that? Ancestry has transcribed his name as John W Norton.
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am also seeking the younger son Samuel, birth regn Andover, Hants, Q3 1867
Are you sure that is one of Henry and Adah's children? There was a bootmaker named George North in Chute, Andover who had a son Samuel about that time. His wife's maiden name was Mann per the GRO index for births of his other children.
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I think you are right. The name Mann, with North, had me on the wrong trail. I knew about Henry and Radley Coll. but my searches of censuses did not show him up as there.
Fresh start with a clearer head tomorrow!
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One of the chaps in this photo is Lowry?
https://100radleyobjects.wordpress.com/1882_team/
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A pity the names are not matched to the team, but a great photo, thanks again.
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She is just as elusive, though very possibly in 1871 at Winscombe, Somerset.
Yes, Ellen North aged 6 from Claughton, Also with the Rev John A Yatman JP in Winscombe is "Lucy" North aged 4 from Wallasey, (I wonder if "Lucy" was in fact Lowry) and Elizabeth North, 39, born Everton (is that the wife of Henry's brother Sir Ford North perhaps?).
Ellen North (16) from Claughton is at Miss Margaret Clarke's school in Warrington Crescent, Paddington in 1881.
It appears that she married Henry Leslie Randall at Christ Church Lancaster Gate on 30 November 1893. One of the witnesses was a North.
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Yes that is definitely Ellen's marriage. Uncle Ford North was there (and that witness signature must be his):
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Wonderul detail, even down to the hymn numbers.
I am struggling to keep pace with you. I had found Ellen's path through the censuses as far as 1911, and her marriage.
The thought of Lucy being Lowry is very tempting and I shall look again. I do not have that Elizabeth in my tree so far, and will have to search for her earlier life.
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Sir Ford North did have a wife Elizabeth of that age, born Everton, and she is not with him at home in Paddington in the 1871 census.
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I now find that Ford's wife Elizabeth was a sister of Adah Mann, and think that the enumerator in that 1871 census had a few details adrift, especially Elizabeth's status.
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Back to Henry: there was a Henry North, merchant, aged 41, born England, on the steamship Canada arrived New York from London on 15 December 1876.
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Bankruptcy proceedings in 1874:
The Bankruptcy Act. 1869.
In the County Court of Lancashire, holden at Liverpool. In the Matter of a Special Resolution for Liquidation by Arrangement of the affairs of Henry North, of Exchange Buildings, Liverpool, in the county of Lancaster, Marine Insurance Broker, but now of Rumford-place, in Liverpool aforesaid, Gentleman.
The creditors of the above-named Henry North who have not already proved their debts, are required, on or before the 19ih day of January, 1874, to send their names and addresses, and the particulars of their debts or claims to me, the undersigned, Harmood Walcot Banner, of 24,North John-street, in Liverpool aforesaid, the Trustee under the liquidation, or in default thereof they will be excluded from the benefit of the Dividend proposed to be declared.—Dated this 9th day of January, 1874.
HARMOOD W. BANNER, Trustee
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/24053/page/174
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He was also the underwriter for a short-lived marine insurance company in Liverpool.
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Just a possibility - a report of the arrest of a broker named Henry North in an unregulated "bucket shop" in New York in 1890: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F04E3DD153BE533A25754C0A9659C94619ED7CF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)
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That seems highly probable, given his past history. Your detective skills are awesome!
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As a postscript to that 1890 case, other papers report that he had "nothing to say" to the judge and was fined $5.
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And I was thinking that he had been in Sing Sing or similar until 1900!
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As nothing has been contributed from the USA, and as ShaunJ has been so generously helpful, I shall not expect any more on this topic.
Many thanks again.
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