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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Huntingdonshire => Topic started by: Greaves on Wednesday 30 August 17 15:53 BST (UK)
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Hi
Stephen FAVELL (Favel, Favil, Favill, etc) and his wife Sarah SMART were my 4x GGP. They married in 1796 in Brampton and went on to have 7 children. The children were Elizabeth (b1792), John (b1797), Frances (b1799), Mary (b1801), Rebecca (b1804), William (b 1807) and Maria (b 1813). Elizabeth is possibly doubtful, having been born several years before they married. I have baptisms for all of them in Brampton, apart from Elizabeth.
However, I have precious little for any of them after their baptisms, with the exception of Frances, my 3x GGM. I can't find very much of Huntingdonshire records online, but I would like to know what happened to her siblings. Did they marry? When and where did they die.
I would be grateful for anything that anyone can dig up.
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Possible for John -
1851
HO107 1750 76 28
Buckden
John Favill 54 Shepherd bn Brompton
Ann 48 wife bn Offord Darcy
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That looks very possible. Are Huntingdonshire marriages online anywhere? I'm wondering about when and where the marriage to Ann was.
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Hello from Brampton registers.all children of Steven/Sarah,
John 5.2.1797
frances dau 31.3.1799
mary 6.12.1801
rebecca 22.7.1804
william 27.7.1807
maria 14.2.1810
marriage 12.11.1796 Steven of graffam=sarah smart.
witts were steven favill/ell and james alexandar.Margaret.
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Burial at brampton favill/favell
william son of S/S.19.8.1811
on f.m.p.???????????????
Frances Favell died in 1856 Huntingdon
vol 3b page 153, dec.
Margaret.
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Just looked on 1851 Census for a Rebecca born c 1804 Brampton and got this;
1851 Census Graffham, Hunts;
George Abbott 52
Rebecca Abbott 46 born Brampton, Huntingdonshire
Ruth Abbott 13
William Abbott 11
Henry Abbott 9
Robert Abbott 9 Mo
GRO Birth Reg;
ABBOTT, RUTH, Mothers mn FAVEL****
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in SAINT NEOTS Volume 14 Page 212
1841 Census
George Abbott 40
Rebecca Abbott 35
John Abbott 15
Rebecca Abbott 5
Frances Abbott 5
Ruth Abbott 2
William Abbott 1
Although I cant provide you with a Marriage for Rebecca/George it looks like her to me :)
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The 1856 Burial has that Frances as age 76;
FAVELL, FRANCES, age 76****
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in HUNTINGDON Volume 03B Page 153
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Many thanks for all the work so far. The death of Frances is wrong, as she was my 3GGM and I know she moved to the Bermondsey area in South London, where she raised her children, before passing in 1871.
But thanks for the other information. I really need a source of Huntingdon marriages, not least for Ann and now Rebecca.
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George Abbott married Rebecca Favel in Grafham in 1826 (Hunts Marriage Index)
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John Favel, you have a choice although it might be the same John:
1825 Buckden Ann Gaunt
1828 Buckden Ann Maile
Or it might be neither!
The source is Hunts Marriage Index, available from Hunts FHS. It's not available online.
David
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The source is Hunts Marriage Index, available from Hunts FHS. It's not available online.
Wishing not to contradict you David.... but this is on FindMyPast...
Huntingdonshire Marriages... 1754 - 1837
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kn5/
Cheers John... have a good one !
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Either Johns Wife Ann was not at Home or he may have married twice;
1841 Census
John Favill, 45, Shepherd
Janny Favill, 12
Charles Favill, 5
William Favill, 2
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The source is Hunts Marriage Index, available from Hunts FHS. It's not available online.
Wishing not to contradict you David.... but this is on FindMyPast...
Huntingdonshire Marriages... 1754 - 1837
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kn5/
Cheers John... have a good one !
Thanks for bringing me into the 21st century John. Once a dinosaur, always a dinosaur.
Yet a search on FindMyPast for a George Abbot or Rebecca Favel or John Favel marriage in Hunts misses the marriages on Hunts Marriage Index on fiche. I'm bemused (I don't think the Index is searchable by name. You apparently have to go into their database and scroll through the images. But as I'm not a FindMyPast subscriber I can't test it. But the Hunts Marriage Index on fiche is the Layng index)
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On the 1841 census return for John there is a William, aged 2. A child therefore born in the period of BMD registration, which should be able to solve the mystery of the mother's maiden name. Or so I thought!
The only William FAVILL I can find born in Huntingdonshire on the GRO web site is:
William FAVEILL b Q1 1838 Peterborough 15 347 [MMN HAWLEY] - not GAUNT or MAILE!
By the way, John and Ann can be traced in Buckden in 1851, 1861 and 1871. Ann died before the 1881 census, where John is recorded as a widower. He died later in 1881 in Buckden.
ADDITION
There is a male FAVILL recorded b Q3 1838 St Neots 14 195 [MMN GAUNT]. This seems more likely.
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Yes David, those FindMyPast Hunts marriages are not indexed... they are just browsable page by page, although you can get it to start at a particular letter.
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John, With my failing eyesight it's getting more and more difficult to read the fiche using a 20x magnifying glass, so the Index being on FindMyPast is a step in the right direction. I subscribe to Ancestry and don't like FindMyPast so don't have an annual sub, but if they have a £1 for a month offer I do take advantage of it, mainly to look at the newspaper clippings.
David
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Another child for John and Ann:
John FAVILL b Q2 1843 St Neots 14 237 [MMN Gaunt].
Given that the marriage to Ann Gaunt was in 1825 and the one to Ann Maile was in 1828, I think we conclude that the John captured in the census records married Ann Gaunt.
However, how do we know that the John captured in the census records was the one born to Stephen and Sarah?
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There is a male FAVILL recorded b Q3 1838 St Neots 14 195 [MMN GAUNT]. This seems more likely.
No wonder I couldnt find that as I was searching for a William!
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However, how do we know that the John captured in the census records was the one born to Stephen and Sarah?
He gives a birthplace of Brampton in censuses which is where John the son of Stephen was baptised, and the age is right. If you check the marriage entry it might give more information eg witnesses.
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Bedfordshire Boy - where can I check the marriage entry? I assume it isn't online. Would I need to visit the Huntingdonshire archives?
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As per 3 years ago... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=688910.0
Baptisms at St Mary Magdalene, Brampton, Hunts
5 February 1797 John son of Stephen (labourer) and Sarah baptised
. . . .
The John Favel who was buried at Buckden on 20 Aug 1881 was aged 85, so born c.1796
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Bedfordshire Boy - where can I check the marriage entry? I assume it isn't online. Would I need to visit the Huntingdonshire archives?
I can't see that Buckden parish register has been filmed by the LDS, so, yes, either a trip to Huntingdon Archives or use their reasonably priced research service
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Morning, buckden reg 1559-1858.
favell.
bapts fanny d john and ann 26.4.1829
and also
charles 29.11.1835
william 7.10.1838.
john 19.6.1843 died 1.1.1843. STIRTLOE HUNTS????????6 Weeks
also burial
william.1.1.1844 aged 5.
marriage 6.12.1850
fanny favell o.t.p. son of john.= george hornsby, son john.
witts were george???/sarah lawrence.
Margaret.
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Many thanks.
Still many gaps to fill, so any more finds gratefully received.
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SO after all this help, and imfo shared, WHAT, are you actually hoping to find.????
need conformation, and POSITIVE records, you have in your possesion.???????????????????????
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I'm afraid that there are still a few gaps:
1. I'm still not clear whether Elizabeth FAVEL (b 1792 Brampton) is a child of Stephen and Sarah.
2. I believe that John married Ann Gaunt in 1825. But who is the John who married Ann MAILE in 1828?
3. Where was John buried?
4. What happened to Mary FAVEL? I still have no idea what happened to her after her baptism in Dec 1801. Did she marry? When and where did she die? Where was she buried?
If anyone can shed some light on any of the above, I would be very grateful, as I am for the information already found.
The lack of Huntingdonshire records online makes it very difficult for me to do research, which is why I have to resort to asking for help on forums. As for what records I possess, the answer is very little apart from what has already surfaced on this forum. The only family member I have any other information on is Frances, my 3 GGM. And even there, I have some important elements missing, such as her second marriage to Thomas Britten. Her first husband, James Gilbert, died in 1845. In 1851, she was a widow living in Southwark. Sometime between the census and 1855, she married Thomas BRITAIN, who died in Jun 1855. Frances herself appears in the 1861 census as Frances BRITTON, a widow, living in Southwark. She dies in Feb 1871, just before the 1871 census.
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Hello, have rechecked, brampton for bapts of elizabeth favell, for 1791/1792/1794 no refs x
buckden marriage 10.11.1828
john favel o.t.p= ann maile. witts were ann aspling,
and william usher.p.s my buckden registers only go up to1559-1858.
1881 census, church st buckden, john favell, widower, 84, born brampton.
1851 STIRLOE,john favill 54 born brampton
ann his wife 48 offord darcey.
could not find much on mary favel, born 1800,
Margaret.
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Hi, I saw your subject and, although the Favels aren't in my direct family line, they are a bit of an offshoot. My great-grandma, Ada Turner, had a sister, Kate Elizabeth Turner (born 1886, Old Weston, Hunts). Kate married Arthur Favel (although we always knew it as Favell) in 1910, and they had a daughter, Maud Vera Favell. Arthur Favell was born in 1879 and died 1963.
Sorry this is all relatively modern info, and I don't have very specific dates/places, but it all happened in Old Weston, Hunts.
Cheers, Nicola.
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Many thanks for this Nicola. I will try and follow up the Old Weston link.
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I have made some progress with the FAVELLs, but as always there are still facts that remain elusive. At present my biggest puzzle is what happened to Mary FAVEL(L)/FAVIL.
Mary was born at Brampton in 1801, being baptised 06 Dec 1801. Her parents were Stephen and Sarah FAVEL. I can't find any record of her after her baptism, so would appreciate any help.
Just to save your time the 1817 burial in Great Staughton isn't for this Mary, it is intact for her Grandmother Mary FAVELL (née FLINT).
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let me know, what you need to check on old weston.Margaret.
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Margaret -mthanks for the offer. All I really know about Old Weston arises from the post by nnicola2. I'm not sure whether or not there is any family connection or if there is such a connection whether it is close or distant.
As I said earlier, I know that Stephen Favell and Sarah Smart were my 4GGPs. I also know that they had at least 6 children" John, Frances, Mary, Rebecca, William and Maria. By one means and another - including a lot of help from this board - I have pierced together the bare essentials of the lives of most of the children. The big gap is Mary born in 1801 in Brampton. I simply have no idea what happened to her after her baptism in Dec 1801. She could have died young or she could have married. If there is an Old Weston connection, it could well arise from her.
So at the moment I have nothing specific to ask you to look up with regard to Old Weston. But many thanks for the kind offer.
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Hello have checked the Old Weston the only thing I
found was a wittness to a marriage in 1856, turner/burton
was a mary ann favell.Margaret.
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Many thanks