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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Spenceress on Saturday 02 September 17 13:54 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm trying to find this person - I can find records of two baptisms although I'm not sure why there were two. I can find her marriage in 1869 to Lund and subsequent entries on the census. But I can't find her in 1851 or 1861. Her mother Elizabeth Jackman is in Ripon with her mother Ann Dodsworth who remarried after her husband died in 1851. But Jane Elizabeth isn't there. I've tried various spellings but no joy. Hope somebody can help,
Thank you
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Born 1st quarter of 1845 no MMN so looks like illegitimate. Is it possible that she's with relatives under their surname.
I couldn't see her, also look at neighbouring houses (on the original census) to her parent as she may be there. In 1861 she would be working so could be in service.
Do you have her marriage cert. with an address for her?
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The baptism on February 6th looks as though it has 'bapt at home' alongside date. She was born
29 Jan 1845 so would only have been a few days old and possibly not expected to live. It is normal in such cases for the child to then be later accepted into the church
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I can find her marriage in 1869 to Lund and subsequent entries on the census.
But I can't find her in 1851 or 1861.
Her mother Elizabeth Jackman is in Ripon with her mother Ann Dodsworth who remarried after her husband died in 1851. But Jane Elizabeth isn't there.
I've tried various spellings but no joy.
Hope somebody can help,
Not sure about this......
Is this Jane Elizabeth LUND with husband & son on 1871 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBC3-YVD
Son John Wm pob given as Bradford this is the only birth entry I can see on GRO Indexes
but his mmn given as WILLIAMSON :-\
LUND, JOHN WILLIAM mmn WILLIAMSON
1870 J Quarter in BRADFORD, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 135
1881c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-CVWF
son Charles Henry Lund
son Arthur
dau Clara
son Herbert
dau Gertrude
dau Emily
LUND, CHARLES HENRY mmn JACKMAN
1871 D Quarter in BRADFORD, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 152
LUND, ARTHUR mmn JACKMAN-WILLIAMSON
1872 D Quarter in BRADFORD, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 180
LUND, CLARA mmn JACKMAN
1874 M Quarter in BRADFORD, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 170
LUND, HERBERT mmn WILLIAMSON
1876 M Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 218
LUND, GERTRUDE ELIZABETH mmn WILLIAMSON
1877 J Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 177
LUND, EMILY mmn WILLIAMSON
1880 S Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 240
There’s this 1851 census entry for a
Jane E WILLIAMSON age 6 born Leeds dau of John & Jane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP9N-2D2
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Gosh that was quick. I'm ok after 1871, it's 1851 and 1861 I'm struggling with. Thanks for the explanation of the two baptisms. When she married she was living at 'Horton' which is in Bradford. She was a confectioner. I've tried various Jackman families and tried her first names and year of birth without surname, but no joy.
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Gosh that was quick. I'm ok after 1871, it's 1851 and 1861 I'm struggling with.
Given the two different mmn for Jane & Richard's children I'm wondering if this his her on 1851 census :-\
There’s this 1851 census entry for a Jane E Williamson age 6 born Leeds
dau of John & Jane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP9N-2D2
Is this her on 1901 census?
Children's mmn given as WILLIAMSON not JACKMAN on GRO indexes
1901 c Richard & Jane children Gertrude E, Jane A & Richard
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9P5-6YF
LUND, GERTRUDE ELIZABETH mmn WILLIAMSON
1877 J Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 177
LUND, JANE ALICE mmn WILLIAMSON
1878 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 132
LUND, RICHARD mmn WILLIAMSON
1885 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 223
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I’m wondering if Jane Williamson born c 1818 Kirby Malzeard Yorkshire on 1851 census (married to John) is related to Elizabeth Jackman and Jane Elizabeth b1845 is her niece rather than daughter and they brought her up hence mother's maiden name for Jane Lund's son Arthur born 1872 given as Jackman-Williamson
There’s this marriage entry
Dec 1840 Leeds
John WILLIAMSON
Female name on same page
Jane JACKMAN
Edit
I can't see a birth entry on GRO for a Jane Elizabeth WILLIAMSON born 1845 Leeds
only the one already mentioned for JEJ showing blank for mother's maiden name
JACKMAN, JANE ELIZABETH -
1845 M Quarter in LEEDS Volume 23 Page 516
EDIT
Yorkshire BMD marriage 1840
St Mark, Woodhouse Leeds
WILLIAMSON John
JACKMAN Jane
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Wow, brilliant detective work, thank you so much. I've been searching for days. I'm sure that's the answer!
Thanks again.
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Wow, brilliant detective work, thank you so much. I've been searching for days. I'm sure that's the answer!
Sorry I can't find Jane Elizabeth Jackman/Williamson on 1861 census but this looks to be Jane Williamson who is widowed https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NS-9F6
I also noticed on the 1851 census for Elizabeth Jackman with her mother Ann Dodsworth https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP9N-VT6 the address is the same as for John, Jane & Jane E Williamson, Queen Street Ripon
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Did one last try have not found Jane Elizabeth Jackman on 1861 census ???
You may already have these details as you mention she is not with her mother on 1851/1861 censuses
1861 census Christopher Dodsworth age is living with his son in law
Thomas Bannister and his wife Elizabeth born 1828 Leeds and their 5 children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M71N-SH5
BANNISTER, SARAH ELIZABETH mmn JACKMAN
1852 D Quarter in EASINGWOLD Volume 09D Page 294
Thomas & Elizabeth Bannister plus 8 children
1871c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBHV-S3S
BANNISTER, EDWARD JACKMAN mmn JACKMAN
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in GREAT OUSEBURN Volume 09A Page 87
other birth entries on GRO indexes showing mmn Jackman
Dec 1851 Ripon
Thomas Bannister
Female name on same page
Elizabeth JACKMAN
Do you know Elizabeth Jackman's father's name & his occupation?
The marriage certificate of Jane Jackman to John Williamson should give you
her father's name and occupation and hopefully it matches that of Elizabeth Jackman's marriage
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Hi, Elizabeth Jackman's father was John Jackman and he was born about 1806 and died about 1830. I haven't established the relationship between him and Jane Jackman yet, her father was Charles. I can't find her in 1861 either, but at least the story is mostly there now. Thank you very much for your help.