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Title: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Klb16 on Saturday 02 September 17 19:41 BST (UK)
I am trying to find out more about a Jane G Robinson that married Barnabus Woodhouse Waters (1891 - 1939) in 1924 in Gateshead, Durham.

However I am unable to find any reliable links for her birth or death?

Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 02 September 17 19:45 BST (UK)
Do you have her marriage certificate please? That would give her father's name and enable you to find her with more certainty in 1911 census.

She may not have been born in Gateshead.
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Klb16 on Saturday 02 September 17 19:47 BST (UK)
Do you have her marriage certificate please? That would give her father's name and enable you to find her with more certainty in 1911 census.

She may not have been born in Gateshead.

No sorry, was hoping I would not need to order a marriage certificate, but looks like it may be the only way at the moment. I hoped that because it have an initial for her middle name it might crop up but it hasn't.
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 02 September 17 19:56 BST (UK)
FreeBMD shows this possibility:

December qtr 1903
Gateshead Registration District     vol 1oa, page 1069

Robinson, Jane Gordon
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 02 September 17 20:06 BST (UK)
The free index to the 1939 National Register has a Jane Waters, b1903, in Ryton U.D.?
Also there is a John Robinson Waters ;D
Plus 4 more people and 2 who are officially closed.

FreeBMD is showing 8 Waters births in County Durham, with a mother's maiden name of Robinson.
Including a John R Waters in 1925.
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Klb16 on Saturday 02 September 17 21:46 BST (UK)
The free index to the 1939 National Register has a Jane Waters, b1903, in Ryton U.D.?
Also there is a John Robinson Waters ;D
Plus 4 more people and 2 who are officially closed.

FreeBMD is showing 8 Waters births in County Durham, with a mother's maiden name of Robinson.
Including a John R Waters in 1925.

Thank you KGarrad, you may have just solved it!! :)
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Radcliff on Saturday 02 September 17 23:04 BST (UK)
GRO
Jane Gordon Robinson
birth registered Gateshead,December 1903
mothers maiden name Gordon
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Radcliff on Saturday 02 September 17 23:34 BST (UK)
There is one possible death you may like to pursue
Jane Waters,
death recorded March Newcastle Upon Tyne 1977
birth date 3rd September 1903
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: barryd on Sunday 03 September 17 05:19 BST (UK)
 "Barnabus Woodhouse Waters (1891 - 1939) in 1924 in Gateshead, Durham".  An energetic walk to his birthplace. About 7 miles.

Barnabus Woodhouse Waters baptized South Shields 27 Dec 1891 son of Thomas/Sarah Ann Waters.
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: bykerlads on Sunday 03 September 17 14:45 BST (UK)
Possibly a red herring, but the use of mother's maiden name as middle name for a daughter is apparently a Scottish custom. Maybe mum was a Scot?
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 03 September 17 14:59 BST (UK)
Possible sibling?

William Gordon Robinson, mmn Gordon, Mar qtr 1906 Gateshead
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 03 September 17 15:34 BST (UK)
Possibly a red herring, but the use of mother's maiden name as middle name for a daughter is apparently a Scottish custom. Maybe mum was a Scot?

Not just Scottish!
And not always mother's maiden name - in my tree it tends to be maternal grandmother's maiden name ;D
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Klb16 on Monday 04 September 17 10:15 BST (UK)
Yes I figured that too! I have found an incoming passengers record in 1915 for Jane Gordon Robinson with her mother and siblings coming back from Quebec, Canada. Can't actually see a record for them going outwards, I am wandering where the father is at this point?! \

I also can't find any record of this family in the 1901 or 1911 census (presuming they may be in Canada in 1911)
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 04 September 17 10:36 BST (UK)

If JGR was born in gateshead as per prev reply
AND
it was the family on the ship . . . . . .

John Robinson / Jane Gordon
Marr 1902 Dec Gateshead 10a 1403
is definitely one for the notes pile?
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 04 September 17 10:46 BST (UK)

AND more notes ( to discount this family )


 
1901 RG13 4757 153 p28
 
67 Regent Street, Gateshead
 
Alexander Gordon 42
Eliza 44
 
Jane 19
 
and others, born Scotland/IOM/Cumberland


However, this family turn up later as "Jane Gordon (Mrs Carter)"  widow +2k, living with parents above)
Married Thomas Carter Sep1906?
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 04 September 17 16:28 BST (UK)
Looks like them in Canada 1911;

JANE Robinson born Sept 1903**

1911 Canada Census
Cape Breton North-Victoria Sub-Districts 1-39, Nova Scotia, Canada
John Robinson, Head, M, 48, born England (birth May 1863)
Jane Robinson, Wife, F, 24, born England (birth March 1887)   England
Jane Robinson, Daughter, F, 8, born England (birth Sept 1903)
William Robinson, Servant, M, 3, born   England (birth Nov 1908)
Henriette Robinson, Daughter, F, 1, born Cape Breton (birth March 1910)

This is on Familysearch.Org.
I dont think Williams is a Servant, should be Son!
Jane (the Mothers) age may be out also
No image is available to check all of this.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 04 September 17 16:48 BST (UK)
Armed with that have found a Tree;

Death Reg, Dec 1973, Durham Western;
Name Jane Robinson
Death Age   91
Birth Date   14 Jan 1882

1901 Census Jane Gordon is born c 1881 Burnopfield, Durham
Parents William GORDON and Jane McCUTCHEON

It might be worth trying to contact them to see if they have the 1902 M/C.
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Millmoor on Monday 04 September 17 16:53 BST (UK)
You can see the image of the 1911 Canada Census on the Library and Canada Archives site -the surname has been transcribed as Roberson. John Robinson is a miner and the year of emigration is given as 1908.

William
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: Klb16 on Monday 04 September 17 19:04 BST (UK)
Looks like them in Canada 1911;

JANE Robinson born Sept 1903**

1911 Canada Census
Cape Breton North-Victoria Sub-Districts 1-39, Nova Scotia, Canada
John Robinson, Head, M, 48, born England (birth May 1863)
Jane Robinson, Wife, F, 24, born England (birth March 1887)   England
Jane Robinson, Daughter, F, 8, born England (birth Sept 1903)
William Robinson, Servant, M, 3, born   England (birth Nov 1908)
Henriette Robinson, Daughter, F, 1, born Cape Breton (birth March 1910)

This is on Familysearch.Org.
I dont think Williams is a Servant, should be Son!
Jane (the Mothers) age may be out also
No image is available to check all of this.

Trish :)

woohoo! Ahhh brilliant! Thanks for your find Trish!
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 05 September 17 09:06 BST (UK)
 ;D
Title: Re: Can find Marriage record but nothing else....
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 05 September 17 09:09 BST (UK)
So if you get the 1902 M/C of John Robertson/Jane Gordon you are well on your way to finding more on your Family Tree.
Without that there are so many Robertson/Robsons around it will be hard to find the right John/Jane in 1901 Census etc.