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Title: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Saturday 02 September 17 22:28 BST (UK)
Looking for grave information for.

'William Bell . Chapel Cottage . Warwick-on-Eden . Died 5th January 1956 aged 82 years .'

My late father made a note that this was his grandfather's inscription however I don't know where.

Any assistance appreciated. Around Aglionby area? Anglican .

deebel
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 02 September 17 23:36 BST (UK)
It would be unusual for a grave inscription to have that type of wording.  It's more likely to be a factual record of his death

This is the only entry matching a January 1956 death but it has no middle name

William Bell  age    82  March qtr 1956  Carlisle 1a  30
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 02 September 17 23:40 BST (UK)
There is a probate entry here - just William Bell but address is as given by you above except it was Chapel House - not Chapel Cottage and date of death was 2.1.1956 not 5.1.1956

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: Gan Yam on Sunday 03 September 17 11:06 BST (UK)
There is an Anglican Church, Warwick on Eden - St Leonards, other possibilities would be the cemetry in Wetheral not far away from Warwick or the main cemetery in Carlisle.

The death notice in the paper might give a clue.
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Sunday 03 September 17 21:23 BST (UK)
I have found him on the 1939 register as a retired plumber (widower) The entries above him are individuals living in Chapel House. His entry is Chapel (something?) living on his own. The original register is a bit obscured by ink blots.

The probate record referred by Carole confirms he died in Carlisle infirmary. The information I originally supplied was obtained by my father from the then Rural Dean of Brampton. I wonder then if the Dean was referring to a burial record i.e. Death 2 Jan 1956 Burial 5 Jan 1956?

Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 03 September 17 22:18 BST (UK)
His probate entry says he died on 5th January
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Sunday 03 September 17 23:05 BST (UK)
His probate entry says he died on 5th January

No it says 2 Jan
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 03 September 17 23:34 BST (UK)
My apologies - don't ask why but I had looked at the second entry below who died 5th Jan ::)
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Monday 04 September 17 09:52 BST (UK)
Apology not necessary Carole.
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Monday 24 June 19 10:40 BST (UK)
Still up against brick wall here.

Question?

GGF died in the Carlisle Infirmary in 1956

would there be NHS archive records of his body being released to an undertaker?


deebel
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: Gan Yam on Monday 24 June 19 19:01 BST (UK)
Are you still looking for the location of the grave? I can check the burial records for the local churches and also the newspaper for a death notice.
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Monday 24 June 19 20:18 BST (UK)
That would be very helpful. I do have a copy of his death certificate. The complication is that my greatgrandmother died and he moved on to a further relationship of which I have scant detail.

deebel
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: Gan Yam on Wednesday 26 June 19 17:39 BST (UK)
The attached appeared in the Evening News on Tuesday 3rd Jan 1956. Hope it helps to clear some of your missing info. The church at Warwick on Eden is St Leonard's.
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Wednesday 26 June 19 21:16 BST (UK)
Gan Yam,
Fantastic. That is of enormous help. Obviously no time was wasted in making arrangements if he made the evening paper on the day he died!

Thank you.

deebel
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: deebel on Saturday 28 September 19 15:21 BST (UK)
I now have a death certificate.
The informant is listed as Iris B Ward Neice from Grimsby.

As I may have said GGfather moved on after GGmother died. IBW's full address is given.

I do not have details of that part of his extended family although it would be interesting to find out if they have information / photographs etc. they might share.

deebel
Title: Re: William Joseph Bell - Where is grave?
Post by: Gibel on Monday 30 September 19 19:25 BST (UK)
St Leonard’s church was redundant and up for sale in 2017. There may or may not be a gravestone for your ancestor. The records for the church up to 2015 (presumably when the church closed) are held at the Carlisle branch of Cumbria Archives.