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Title: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: ukgill on Sunday 03 September 17 10:36 BST (UK)
does anyone know which specific church these relate to? I have a marriage in 1859 (David Griffiths and Elizabeth Williams 24th July) and according to the Marriage Certificate it is in the "Parish Church, Holywell". The Banns on FindMyPast dont actually say which church so I traced it back via the film number on FamilySearch and it is listed simply as "chapelry of bagillt" with no church name.

much thanks for any help
Gill
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: wrjones on Sunday 03 September 17 11:21 BST (UK)
North Wales BMD lists the Marriage as taking place at St James,Holywell.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 September 17 12:55 BST (UK)
Interestingly, other couples on the same Banns page are also showing as being married at St James, Holywell on the NWales BMD. 

It could be like the various other FindMyPast records showing (erroneously) as a different parish.

Gadget
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 September 17 13:05 BST (UK)
Interestingly, the second  page of the banns book has 'Parish of Holywell' written at the top. However, those who actually show as being married Bagillt in themarriag registers, show as St James, Holywell in the NW BMD. 

Add - I did some of the transcriptions for the NWales BMD (not Flintshire) and we used the record office (Registrar's ) books.  A query to the records office might solve the puzzle.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 03 September 17 13:07 BST (UK)
According to Genuki:

The new parish of Bagillt was gazetted on 23 May 1844, having been created from the townships of Bagillt Fawr, Bagillt Fechan, Coleshill Fawr and Coleshill Fechan, which were formerly in the parish of Holywell.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 September 17 13:14 BST (UK)
Quite correct, BB, but there are problems with many of  the late separations of parishes in Denbighshire and Flintshire at this time  on FindMyPast - records allocated to either/or that don't check out e.g Pontfadog and Llangollen and Brymbo and Wrexham. 

The only way to check is to look up the Clwyd FH booklets (via Jill Rose site or purchase) or buy the certificate.

PS - I check on the Clwyd booklets that I have but I don't have all the Flintshire ones.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 September 17 13:19 BST (UK)
Bagillt marriage booklets available from 1841 - 1911

http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/publications/registers-books.htm#B

Added - there are some Griffiths marriages showing in the Bagillt booklet (via Jill's site) but no first names  :-\
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: wrjones on Sunday 03 September 17 18:39 BST (UK)
I would take it as stated on North Wales BMD,the place of the Marriage.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 September 17 19:42 BST (UK)
Are you able to go around the corner to the Clwyd FH Research Centre, WR, and have a wee look in the booklets ?

Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: wrjones on Monday 04 September 17 00:11 BST (UK)
Are you able to go around the corner to the Clwyd FH Research Centre, WR, and have a wee look in the booklets ?

Unfortunately the Marriages for Holywell St James are only covered in the booklets up to 1841.
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/publications/registers-books.htm

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: ukgill on Monday 04 September 17 08:24 BST (UK)
Thanks all for your help and fast responses. I am going to take WRJ advice and use St James, it also makes sense with where they lived. I was surprised that FamilySearch dont list the specific churches either for Holywell as they do usually have the churches specified on the films/reference materials.

I also learned from you that the issue with mis-classification of parishes on the records on FindMy Past extends beyond Anglesey where it is one hot mess! and I thought Anglesey was the only county to have this problem. I am providing emails to the FindMyPast support team every time I come across an example and have been doing this for some weeks, still awaiting the corrections though, will chase them up once again today to see when we can expect the corrections.

Best Regards
Gill
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Monday 04 September 17 08:38 BST (UK)
Just to clarify what WR  wrote ~ Although the Clwyd booklets for Holywell stop at 1841, the Bagillt ones go to 1911 so could be checked for inclusion or omission.

Gill - I would always recommend obtaining the marriage certificate in these cases or, if you don't wish to purchase,  phoning up the records office - they are usually very helpful and you could mntion the confusion with available sources.
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: ukgill on Thursday 07 September 17 20:00 BST (UK)
Thanks Gadget. I do have the marriage certificate but all it says is "The Parish Church" "Holywell".

Gill
Title: Re: Flintshire Banns on FindmyPast question
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 07 September 17 20:19 BST (UK)
Thanks Gadget. I do have the marriage certificate but all it says is "The Parish Church" "Holywell".

Gill

Then that will be St James's. Looks as if it might well have been mis-allocated as we suspected  :-\