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I need to order a marriage cert in order to ensure that the bride is mine and to find details of the groom in order to try and trace him. Maud E Edmonds-Bayliss married Charles H Bishop 1933 Hackney. Charles dies 1964 Hackney and a Maud E Bishop marries William Godfrey 1965 Hackney. In order to ensure that the 1965 Maud is mine I need to include her fathers name. My question is do I show her father as Edmonds-Bayliss, Edmonds Bayliss or Bayliss.
Ed
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Assuming you have the 1st MC, the details from that for her father as I wouldn't think that would change?
Annie
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May also be worth doing a search for a death for Maud E Bishop 1st just to give you more confidence?
Annie
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If you order from the GRO without the reference, you get the option to enter the fathers first and surname.
I just checked and the box is 56 characters long so in theory you should be able to enter
Edmonds-Bayliss/Edmonds Bayliss/Bayliss and a specific first name
The problem then might be that the GRO 'decide' not to send the cert if they think there isn't a match and you get a refund.
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My question is do I show her father as Edmonds-Bayliss, Edmonds Bayliss or Bayliss.
Have you found her birth registration - what surname does she have then?
Death for Maud E Godfrey born 1 Mar 1912
Age 93 Havering Essex in 2005
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Both Bayliss & Edmonds-Bayliss according to freebmd
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I have a family member with a hyphenated surname. Her children are on the grow index 3 times - with each surname word separately & with the hyphenated name. The index reference is the same in each case.
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Thanks for the input.
Maud 1912 birth shows E Bayliss and 1933 marriage shows Edmonds-Bayliss. Father Alfred birth and 1910 marriage shows as Edmonds Bayliss and his 1964 death is just Bayliss. The family name shows up in a variety of ways. Maybe just Alfred Bayliss and hope someone at the GRO is in a caring mood.
Much appreciated
Ed
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GRO has informed me that that they could not find marriage cert given info provided. Not sure how to interpret that. Father not Bayliss but Edmonds-Bayliss or maybe Maud E Bishop is not my Maude?
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My question is do I show her father as Edmonds-Bayliss, Edmonds Bayliss or Bayliss.
Have you found her birth registration - what surname does she have then?
Death for Maud E Godfrey born 1 Mar 1912
Age 93 Havering Essex in 2005
Does this date of birth tie in with the entry for Maud Bishop on the 1939 register :-\
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Maud Baylis/Edmonds Bayliss birth 5 May 1912 and registered Jun 1912 Holborn. Assume then my Maud did not marry William Godfrey??
Thanks rosie
Ed
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Have you found your Maud on the 1939 register :-\
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No I have not
Ed
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Using the d-o-b from the Maud Elizabeth Godfrey death (1 March 1912) brings up
Maude E Bishop in Hackney, with Charles ? Bishop, and 1 more person (1939 free index)
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Further experimentation(?) with the free index reveals that other person to be
Kenneth Bishop, born 1936
Possibly
Birth, March 1936 Hackney 1b 578
Bishop, Kenneth C.
mother Bayliss
Death, April 2002 Havering
Kenneth Charles Bishop
d-o-b 28 January 1936
And that apparently is the transcribed birth date for the Kenneth Bishop with Maude E and Charles ?
in Hackney in 1939 (using the free index)
John
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Perhaps you gave them too much info to check against? As Dawn said
The problem then might be that the GRO 'decide' not to send the cert if they think there isn't a match and you get a refund.
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There's now a baptism record on ancestry for Maud in the updated London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms (goes up to 1916 now)
It was at St Paul Clerkenwell, but currently it is one of those that doesn't have an image available.
But the transcript could give her date of birth!
John
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Maud Elizabeth Edmond Bayliss
Birth Date: 1 March 1912
Baptism Date: 14 March 1912
(from Ancestry)
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Thanks everyone. Going to see if I can figure out where the incorrect dob came from.
Much appreciated
Ed
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If you have problems ordering from GRO, why not order the cert from the appropriate Register Office? You can ask them to send it only if it has the 'correct' father.
Melbell
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Marriage cert arrived with problems
William Godfrey(52) widower married Maud Elizabeth Bishop(53) widow 9 Oct 1965 at Hackney Registrar Office. Witnesses were K Bishop and K W Godfrey. Father's were George William Godfrey, Clerk deceased and Frederick Bayliss, Cabinet Maker deceased.
Assuming father name correct then back to square one. What happened to Maud E Bishop(father Alfred Bayliss) after death of Charles Bishop in 1964.
Ed
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I am more inclined to think fathers details are wrong on the marriage certificate.
Father Alfred or Frederick - Similar and he may have been called Fred and Maud knew no different.
Occupation was Cheesemonger on baptism though - Cabinet maker on marriage (Maybe it sounded better to be a cabinet maker ::) )
I certainly would not discount it without further research
Remember we have the birth date on the baptism and it matches the death record
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The 1939 register will have an occupation for Alfred Bayliss which might clinch it for you ;)
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I was trying to find an online obituary by googling her name and this popped up in the results ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731641.0
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I had forgotten that post. Took awhile to get around ordering cert.
There is only one Maud E Bayliss born 1912 so has to be correct. Why father's name is not correct is a puzzle though
Thanks
Ed
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Maybe the 'original' given at the time of the marriage was correct.
I got a copy of my marriage cert 2 years ago and my fathers name is wrong. The original is right though.