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Title: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: winnie7 on Wednesday 06 September 17 00:30 BST (UK)
What does “Sent to minister” mean… for a man who served in the Forfar Militia?
Is this a military or eccelsiatical term, please? 

I’m researching Alexander GLEGG  b 1783 Stonehaven, Kincardineshire, son of a blacksmith, who in 1803
age 20 enlisted with the Forfar Militia and served until age 46. In 1808 he married ANN WATT. 
Then Alexander, plus  wife (and three children born in Kincardineshire) appear (line 83) on
an aberdeencity.gov.uk Militia web page residing in the Parish of St Nicholas, Aberdeenshire
 under the following column headings:
“Date of certificate” 17 Oct 1813  [for what?]
“Sent to minister” 6 Nov 1813       [ecclesiastic or military?]
“Date of renewed Certs  “20 April 1814 and 20 Sept 1814
“Regiment” Forfar
Does this record suggest he was trained as a Minister to serve with the Forfar Regiment?

1821 his fourth child was born in Montrose (base of regiment but I have a list of places they went).
Then 1825 Alexander is listed in Pigot’s Directory as a Nail Maker, Allardice Street, Stonehaven.
So it would seem that Militia men could still be conducting business and family life at home.
NLS records show he served just over 26 years, the latter 8 years as Sergeant, and
confirms his birth year,  place of birth and occupation: Smith,
Regiment of The Honorable Donald Oglivy from 1803 until his pension 1829.
 
Alexander was a Chelsea Out-Pensioner (collected pension from local agent).
In 1841 and 1851 he lived in Barclay Street, Stonehaven, was a Jews Harp Maker / Harp Maker
(as was also his son Arthur same censuses). 

ScotlandsPeople death record shows Alexander Glegg died 1857  “Trump Maker (ie Jews Harp)”,
He was buried in the Church Yard of Fetteresso.
No monumental inscription for him found on ANESFHS MI index online.
His father was  [blank] Glegg, blacksmith, mother Catherine GIBBON both deceased.
(possibly Katharine Gibbon bapt 13 July Fetteresso,  father John Gibbon)? found on SP.

I have found and been tracking several other Glegg / Gleig / Glygg families in
Fetteresso, Kincardineshire and Montrose, Angus
but none seem to connect with this Alexander Glegg b 1783 Stonehaven.

Would love to hear from anyone who knows more about this Harp Maker,
…and anyone specializing in what life was like in the Forfar Militia.

Thanks
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 06 September 17 01:24 BST (UK)
What does “Sent to minister” mean… for a man who served in the Forfar Militia?
Is this a military or eccelsiatical term, please? 

I’m researching Alexander GLEGG  b 1783 Stonehaven, Kincardineshire, son of a blacksmith, who in 1803
age 20 enlisted with the Forfar Militia and served until age 46. In 1808 he married ANN WATT. 
Then Alexander, plus  wife (and three children born in Kincardineshire) appear (line 83) on
an aberdeencity.gov.uk Militia web page residing in the Parish of St Nicholas, Aberdeenshire
 under the following column headings:
“Date of certificate” 17 Oct 1813  [for what?]
“Sent to minister” 6 Nov 1813       [ecclesiastic or military?]
“Date of renewed Certs  “20 April 1814 and 20 Sept 1814
“Regiment” Forfar
Does this record suggest he was trained as a Minister to serve with the Forfar Regiment?
Stonehaven.

I can't help with your query but is it possible to post a link to the specific page you're referring to please as it saves time for researchers if they know exactly where the info. is to understand the context of things?

Annie

Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: winnie7 on Wednesday 06 September 17 10:36 BST (UK)
The record I am asking what "Sent to minister" means, is at
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.asp?lID=47492&sID=15131
Alexander Glegg, line 83
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 06 September 17 10:49 BST (UK)
This may help...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_minister

Annie
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: winnie7 on Wednesday 06 September 17 12:22 BST (UK)
Thanks but  'minister for war' does not feel right somehow....
unless I can find a better reference to this term being used specifically for men in the Forfar Militia.
I contacted the Abderdeen Archives, also Angus archives, nobody has replied.
Hoping an expert in Forfar Militia study might read this and reply.

Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: Bookbox on Wednesday 06 September 17 12:28 BST (UK)
Not an expert in the Forfar Militia, but in England families of serving militiamen were entitled to receive relief from the parish, on the evidence of a certificate supplied to the parish overseers or minister. This seems likely to be similar.
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 06 September 17 12:32 BST (UK)
Ahh, thanks Bookbox!...

I thought when I read it, it seemed to be Parish Relief Records but I actually dismissed that theory as I was unaware of the entitlements of the families of Militiamen.

Annie
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 06 September 17 18:42 BST (UK)
Are you absolutely certain that it isn't "sent to muster"? That would make far more sense.

Anne
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please
Post by: Bookbox on Wednesday 06 September 17 19:08 BST (UK)
Are you absolutely certain that it isn't "sent to muster"?

There's a link to a transcript of the document in reply #2 ...
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.asp?lID=47492&sID=15131

It's headed Aberdeenshire Relief Certificates. Presumably it’s been downloaded from here ...
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/education_learning/local_history/archives/loc_cataloguesmilitia.asp

It's catalogued as a Record of Certificates granted for the relief of the wives and families of militiamen.

That supports my suggestion in reply #5.
Title: Re: Forfar Militia – knowledge please_ COMPLETED
Post by: winnie7 on Thursday 07 September 17 01:08 BST (UK)
Thanks so much Bookbox :-)
The doc I asked my question about, had no heading or link to the main page
"Record of Certificates granted for the relief of the wives and families of militiamen"
which you've kindly provided, and I've read and now understand.
Very grateful indeed for your help.