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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: OzJane on Wednesday 06 September 17 04:45 BST (UK)
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Is it possible that John Waddington moved from being a cotton spinner to a watchmaker?
I have John born 1832 to Thomas (a weaver) & Sarah in Tyldesley in 1832.
John married Ellen Holliday in 1852 in Prestwich and his occupation is given as a 'mule spinner'.
In the 1861 Census John and Ellen are living in Kearsley and he is a 'cotton spinner', they have 3 children:Sarah Anne (1853), Charlotte (1858), Richard (1860).
In the 1871 Census they are living in Farnworth and John is listed as 'Watchmaker & Jeweller', they have 5 children: Sarah Anne (1853), Charlotte (1858), Richard (1860), Selina (1862), William (1865).
In the 1881 Census they are still in Farnworth (Ellen is listed as 'Helen) and John is a 'Clock & Watch Maker. There are 3 children still at home: Richard (1860), Seline (1862), William (1865).
Is it at all possible that a cotton spinner in his mid twenties could have become a watchmaker?
I initially thought I may have the wrong family but the dates and the children fit almost perfectly. Given the names are not all that common in the family, the combination of names and birthdates is convincing me.
Would be grateful to you all if you could confirm the possibility of such a career change, or let me know what I have missed and am barking up the wrong tree.
Many thanks
Ozjane
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One of my husband's ancestors was an excise officer for 2 censuses, then a clock and watch maker (as were several of his sons) and excise officer, and then back to just an excise officer. Perhaps he was not very good at it?
So it does happen.
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A little bit of info on Lancs watch & Clock making here: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/nostalgia/genealogy-your-ancestors-involved-horology--3385845
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Ray
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Checked the new GRO index to see if all the children had the same mother indicating the same family.
Surname listed as registered/transcribed
Sarah Ann Warrington 1852 mmn Halliday reg. district Bury
Elizabeth Waddington 1856 mmn Halliday reg. district Bury death reg. 1856 age 0
Charlotte Warrington 1857 mmn Halliday reg. district Bury
Richard Waddington 1859 mmn Halliday reg. district Bolton
Salina Wadington 1862 mmn Halliday same
William Waddington 1865 mmn Halliday same
Thomas Waddington 1866 mmn Halliday same death reg. 1868 age 1
Ellen Waddington 1868 mmn Halliday same death reg. 1868 either age 2 months or 4 months looks like years but actually months. There are two Ellen Waddington deaths in Bolton.
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Thanks Chempat - good to know that it seems possible - it's just that the skill set seems quite different - however as you say, it is not out of the question.
Raybistre - I'd forgotten the directories, will do a thorough check in the cold light of day and let you know how it goes. Also appreciate the link, great background.
Amondg, thanks so much for checking the GRO index, didn't know about Elizabeth. The family does seem to be the same. The children I mentioned are there, mother Halliday. The other two, Thomas and Ellen I checked on the Lancashire parish Clerk site:
Baptism: 27 Jan 1867 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Waddington - Son of John Waddington & Ellen
Abode: Kearsley
Occupation: Spinner
Baptised by: W. H. Taylor
Register: Baptisms 1864 - 1873, Page 84, Entry 665
Source: LDS Film 1538438
Baptism: 10 Oct 1868 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England
Ellen Waddington - [Child] of John Waddington & Ellen
Abode: Farnworth
Occupation: Spinner
Baptised by: Robt. Daunt
Register: Baptisms 1864 - 1873, Page 130, Entry 1039
Source: LDS Film 1538438
Again, he is listed as a 'Spinner' so that would seem to suggest that sometime between 1868 and 1871, John became a Watchmaker.
Thanks for your help - really appreciated.
Jane
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When daughter Sarah Ann married James Wolfendale 1878 her father John Waddington is a brickmaker
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Thanks again amondg, I'd seen that but was pretending it wasn't there :-[
It just confuses the matter further! Still you can't help who your relatives are.
As no one has suggested I'm mixing families, which is not beyond the realms of possibility, it seems that John did change careers a few times.
Again appreciate your input.
Jane
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He may have taken the decision to retrain during the Lancashire Cotton Famine which was a result of the American Civil War. Perhaps attended night-school at the Mechanics' Institute. He would have ample time for study when he was laid-off work. Or his change of job may have been due to a health problem or accident.
"Brickmaker" on daughter's marriage cert may have been a mistake for watchmaker. He was still a watchmaker on 1881 census.
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Agreed Maiden Stone - you're too quick for me, I just had the thought that there may have been a transcription error on the 1878 entry. He is identified on both the 1881 census and his daughter, Selina's marriage record, as a Watchmaker.
Cheers
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Jane - I have a pocket watch which has the movement marked JOHN WADDINGTON FARNWORTH' 'No 5116'. Three images attached. The hallmarks on the case are for Chester, date letter 'w' which is 1860/61. I am pretty certain that the case and the movement are the original pairing i.e. the watch is not a marriage.
I came across your posting when I was researching this watch to try to establish whether the 'Farnworth' was the 'Farnworth' near Bolton or the 'Farnworth' near Prescot Lancashire.
It is possible that the watch was made by someone in their late twenties. The number 5116 - does not mean he has made 5115 previously - the basis of the numbering on early watches is not fully understood so I would not use the number as any indicator.
In your posting of the 6 September 2017 you say that 'sometime between 1868 and 1871, John became a watchmaker'. Unfortunately it looks like the person who made my watch made it around 1860. Now it's also possible that there was a John Waddington in Prescot Lancashire who made it. I haven't checked any census records nor trade catalogues for the district yet.
Thought I would let you know all this as sometimes research can be nudged one way or another on the tiniest bit of information. JGP
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WOW John, thanks so much :) I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to post. A real link with the family past.
It seems like John Waddington was nearer Bolton but as a 'foreigner' my knowledge of Lancashire is virtually non-existent outside maps.
I've double checked my research and the 1860/61 date for your watch, on the face of it, doesn't seem to match. But the one thing I've learned in family research is that what seems odd two hundred years later makes perfect sense for the time.
John was still identified as a 'Spinner' on the parish baptism records (thanks Lancashire OPC) of his children: William (1865); Thomas (1866); and Ellen(1868). There could be dozens of reasons for this. I've also checked whatever Directories I can find but no mention.
It occurred to me that there might be a grandparent/uncle/sibling involved in the clock/watchmaking industry or a neighbour, so again have rechecked but no leads there. Will keep on keeping on though!
As you say, the tiniest piece of information helps and I'm really grateful for the images of a 'family' watch.
Jane