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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: fedupp on Wednesday 06 September 17 18:31 BST (UK)
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Look up please for walter charles freeman born 1882 great weldon. Northamptonshire .looking for him on 1891 census . Parents henry and dorcas ann freeman. Thanks
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I can find his parents and siblings RG12/1223/F16/p3 but I can't see Walter anywhere.
Emeltom
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Yes , I know ! He should be with the family at 8 or 9 years old !!?
I don't have his actual birth cert. Though do have copy of his baptism in weldon 19th march 1882 . He is not on 1901 either . Think he joined army in 1899. Thanks for your interest. Thought I may have missed something on 1891 cesus !!??
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Thought he may be with family somewhere ? Wherever he is though, in theory he should be on census somewhere , shouldn't he ?? Or could there be another " obvious " Reason that I have missed ??
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I can't find him in 1901 either but as you say he joined the Army (Northamptonshire Regiment) in 1899 and served in South Africa 1900-1902 and then India. I wasn't sure it was him at first as birth year is down as 1880. Also I have found a man I think is him in the 1911 Census - William Charles Freeman age 29 single born Weldon, a Railway labourer lodging in Peterborough - yet according to his army papers he wasn't discharged until 3 Dec 1911. However as Next of Kin he gives mother Dawkes (presumably meant to be Dorcas) of Weldon and brother Henry. I doubt that there is more than one Walter Freeman with a mother called Dorcas living in Weldon so that has to be him.
There could be several reasons why he doesn't appear in 1891 - he may have been missed off by the Enumerator, his name is so poorly written the transcription is garbled, he could have been staying with a relarive and wrongly entered under thier surname etc.
Emeltom
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Well done finding his sevice record ! Iagree that has to be him .....dawkes got to be dorcas as 1st nok then henry brother. ( His brother known as harry ) as 2nd nok because his father henry snr. Died in 1893 ........ Problem ....I missed the date of end of service. ...somehow ...
I have the chap in lodgings in peterborough in 1911 census ,raiway labouer as walter charles. Clearly written off Anc. But the name has been typed/transcribed. I didn!t check original because our compurter is playing up . Damn!!!! I thought something wasn't right !! He leaves uk for canada 1911 or so I thought earlier.somone found a walter. Chas on passenger list in 1911. Oh dear .... What a flipping mess
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Now I'm getting stressed !! ....not only does he go to canada but he changes his name when he marries , then returns to uk in 1953. Under his first surname ..freeman ..??? Then appears back in canada as bradley !!!!!
Can somebody please check him out in births in uk
To make sure . ....though as I said I have his baptism in weldon 1882 parents dorcas. And henry .!!!!!
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His birth is registered as Freeman - mmn Glithers (presumably a mistranscription of Glithero, Dorcas' maiden name)
What is Bradley - a first name he used, or an alternative surname?
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Bradley was an alternative surname . I had info that mentioned he changed his name in canada circa 1926.
Some one on rootschat found his marriage in 1922 in canada. In which he used the name bradley . So in canada he was bradley but if travelling to uk freeman.
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In case he is your Walter
Northampton Mercury 22 June 1894
Riding without reins
Walter Freeman, a lad of Great Weldon, was summoned for riding without reins at Weldon on May 31st. PC Cooper stated the facts of the case, and defendant, admitting the charge was fined 2s & 6d and 6s expenses
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Wow ! Thanks rosie99, it could very well be him .!!??
Where did you find this ? Bna
Or FindMyPast or elsewhere ? Are there any more mentions of. Him ??
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So,was this summons to appear where ? Northampton ,corby ,kettering or actually in weldon ??
Anybody know if there was a petty sessions / magistrates. Court locally and if so. Have their records been digitized ,and available online .
Can anyone help ??
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It was Kettering - Divisional Petty Sessions
on F M P
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Thanks rosie99 ,but was the northampton mercury article on FindMyPast also or from another source ?
If it's him he would have been about 12 years old ! Can anyone have a look to see if there are any other mentions of him up to 1899. Thanks
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on F M P
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To answer one of the queries about Walter Charles' service that you posted on the other thread. Had he signed on to complete 21 years and thus qualified for a pension (which as you know he didn't because he served only 12 years total and there was no disability), the 87 days (3 plus 84) relating to his sentence from the court martial would have been deducted from his total service counting to pension.
You can see this at the bottom of the Statement of Services where his 8 years colour service has been reduced to 7 years 278 days.
Still working on the other queries although if he went to Canada in 1912 (it didn't seem certain from what has been posted so far) then his commitment to the army would have been over. Equally, what has been posted about the 1911 man looks very much like him, in civilian life but still on the reserve, perfectly legitimate.
MaxD
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MaxD thanks. Now knowing for certain that him being on reserve, but back in civie street helps . Now I know the chap in lodging house is definitely him.
Thanks for the explanation of how the field GCM WOULD have affected his pension and how it was worked out .
I'm just wondering if when he did go to canada wether he went to family already there ( a distinct possibility) OR went on an assisted passage scheme of sorts ? A few years ago I found a different (not freeman ) family member had gone on such a scheme to canada in the 1920s.
Nobody alive even knew of his adventure. ? He went with some friends from same town....didn't quite work out they ended up being deported !!!!
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Having taken advice (acknowledgements to the 1914-18 experts) to add to my meagre knowledge store, here are the final loose ends on your queries on the other thread.
He needed to turn up in person only once for 1 day's musketry training in year 10 (in his case 1909) or he could elect to do 6 days with the militia.
He could go abroad simply leaving his new address (not unknown for men to just go without bothering with a new address particularly if near the end of reserve service).
Final discharge was able to be done by post.
As your enquiries seem to turn on whether he could have gone to Canada while still officially committed to the military - the answer seems to be yes.
MaxD
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MaxD Thanks for that . Certainly helps to make things a Little clearer as regards to Walter charles .
Youv'e helped me a lot MaxD ,thanks again .
Ref your advice on links . Exactly how do you link 2 posts/topics . Anybody ?
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In thread A go to the bar at the top which starts www.rootschat.com/forum/index and finishes with a number. Copy and paste that into thread B (useful to open another Rootschat page at the other thread). Little sentence, "related thread here....."
MaxD
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MaxD Thanks ,t.h.I.n.k ...I've got that , I'll give it a try ..when... I'm feeling confident enough .