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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: kooky on Sunday 10 September 17 10:41 BST (UK)
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I have not looked at this for some time and hope there may be more resources online now to help!
Hugh was b. in Glasgow. He was my grandfather's brother.
When he died in 1935 the informant on the death certificate was his wife Margaret.
I would really like to discover who she was, when and where she married Hugh, if she had children with Hugh, and when she died.
Can anyone suggest a way forward?
Are there electoral rolls for Bray after 1935?
I don't suppose there was an equivalent in Ireland to the 1939 register in UK? 8)
Kooky
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No there isn’t an equivalent of the 1939 register. (Ireland didn’t need it, being neutral during the war).
I can’t see a Hugh Kane marriage to a Margaret in Ireland. What do you know of Hugh’s life in Scotland? Was he still there in the 1911 census, and if so was he single?
A Hugh Kane married a Margaret Mullen in Calton in 1931.
Have you looked to see if Hugh left a will? It should be in the National Archives in Dublin. (There may be a fee to get a copy).
Hugh’s death was registered in Rathdrum registration district. This is the only Margaret Kane death in that district, post 1935. She was 82 in 1957 and lived in what looks like Norwood, Sidminton Rd, Bray. The informant was her daughter Winifred O’Reilly.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04402/4146202.pdf
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Winnifred Margaret Kane dtr of Daniel
Charles O'Reilly
1934
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1934/08959/5242727.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Charles_Street__Great/27345/
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Kooky I had found these details but no marriage info. I'm afraid :(
UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
Hugh Alexander Kane occ carpenter
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1878 Glasgow
First Service Date: 26 Nov 1900
First Ship Served On: Vivid II
Last Service Date: 25 Nov 1922
Last Ship Served On: Vivid II
Service Number: 343840
England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
Hugh Alexander Kane
residence: Devonport
Initiation Age: 43
Birth Year: abt 1878
Initiation Date: 24 Nov 1921
First Payment Year on Register: 1921
Year Range: 1910-1921
Profession: C.P.O.R.N.
Lodge: Western District United Service Lodge
Lodge Location: Stonehouse
Lodge Number: 2258
Folio Number: 10
as you are revisiting I see from your previous post you have some of this info.
I have added the link here as not to duplicate efforts and help others looking
2009 - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=358643.0
2008 - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=302450.0
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Thank you all!
Elwyn, was the marriage in Scotland?
Ladyhawk has very kindly posted links to my previous info.
All Kane records I have are CofI, no RC records at all.
Many thanks to Ladyhawk for the info. Re Hugh being a mason. I had no idea!
Kooky
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Elwyn, I have already checked the Calton marriage, wrong parents I'm afraid!
Kooky
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Elwyn, was the marriage in Scotland?
Yes. Calton is a Glasgow civil registration district.
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Nautical Lodge
https://www.hrionline.ac.uk/lane/record.php?ID=3787
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At last....
Hugh Kane was buried 19 Dec 1935 in Deansgrange Cemetary, Dublin. Grave No. 56, Row I South.
This grave already had two occupants, Sarah Curry July 1903 and Caroline Lucas April 1877.
No sign of Hugh's wife Margaret.
Cheers
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Still hoping to find out who Hugh's wife Margaret was ::)
Have checked Free bmd, Ancestry, Find my past, and Scotland's People.
Is there a free overseas marriage site?
Kooky
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Hi again
When I rang Deansgrange Cemetary, they were very helpful and provided info on the burial place of Hugh, even giving the plot number, to make identification easy.
With this information, why don't you ring the cemetary, quoting the plot number, to see who gave permission for Hugh to be buried in that precise grave. That might well provide another lead....
Cheers
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Hi! That is a good idea! Thanks.
Kooky
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I e mailed and was told that Hugh's wife bought the grave in 1936.
When I suggested she might be buried in it also , they said they had no record of any further burials!
Damn, I thought I might be getting nearer to some answers!
Why would you buy a grave and then not make use of it?
Kooky
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I e mailed and was told that Hugh's wife bought the grave in 1936.
When I suggested she might be buried in it also , they said they had no record of any further burials!
Damn, I thought I might be getting nearer to some answers!
Why would you buy a grave and then not make use of it?
Kooky
She might have remarried??
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I e mailed and was told that Hugh's wife bought the grave in 1936.
When I suggested she might be buried in it also , they said they had no record of any further burials!
Damn, I thought I might be getting nearer to some answers!
Why would you buy a grave and then not make use of it?
Kooky
She bought a grave that already had 2 burials in it??
Hugh Kane was buried 19 Dec 1935 in Deansgrange Cemetary, Dublin. Grave No. 56, Row I South.
This grave already had two occupants, Sarah Curry July 1903 and Caroline Lucas April 1877.
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I am really confused by all this!
Maybe she did remarry, and then obviously would not want to be with her first husband ?
I have been looking for deaths for Margaret Kane, I need to look for a marriage.
The problem is that I have no record of the marriage of Hugh and Margaret, so I do not know how old she was or her maiden name! ???
Kooky
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Hi
I assume that grave must, at the moment, be Registered in someone's name, plus address. If his wife bought the grave, they should have her address too.
I'd go back and ask that question.
Good Luck
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Hi again
Just noticed I earlier wrote:-
Hugh Kane was buried 19 Dec 1935 in Deansgrange Cemetary, Dublin
You yesterday wrote:-
Hugh's wife bought the grave in 1936.
Would they have allowed his burial a year earlier in 1935...
Regards
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Hi
I assume that grave must, at the moment, be Registered in someone's name, plus address. If his wife bought the grave, they should have her address too.
I'd go back and ask that question.
Good Luck
Probably same address as on Death Cert!
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Hi Hallmark,
Think Hugh and his wife may have been living in a Local Authority house in Bray when he died. In those days, his wife may have been forced to move to a smaller property. Think I've heard this before, but stand to be corrected.
Regards
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Hi Hallmark,
Think Hugh and his wife may have been living in a Local Authority house in Bray when he died. In those days, his wife may have been forced to move to a smaller property. Think I've heard this before, but stand to be corrected.
Regards
Quite possible......but as she has "disappeared" the Cemetery would most like only have that address.
She may even have returned to Glasgow if she had no family here....
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Still struggling with Margaret Kane ::)
I have checked all Margaret Kane deaths and marriages in the Irish index.
They are all spinsters or widows of farmers! 8)
Help!
Kooky
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This grave already had two occupants, Sarah Curry July 1903 and Caroline Lucas April 1877..... what is on their Death Certs?
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Sorry Hallmark, have not checked!
Will do! Kooky
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Name SARAH CORRY
Year of Death 1903
Group Registration ID 4644415
SR District/Reg Area Rathdown
Deceased Age at Death 9
??
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05655/4592150.pdf
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eath of CAROLINE LUCAS in 1877
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Rathdown
Deceased Age at Death 30
Returns Year 1877
Returns Quarter 2
Returns Volume No 7
Returns Page No 777
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Hugh's wife bought the grave in 1936.... from Whom?
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I e mailed Deansgrange Cemetery. They informed me that the grave had been purchased by Margaret.
Neither of the 2 people in the grave have any connection with my family.
Kooky