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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Vicky9284 on Sunday 10 September 17 13:11 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am searching my grandads family tree for him as he knows little about his early childhood. I know that my grandad was born in Newcastle on the 20th July 1924 his birth name was Peter Morton. His mother was unmarried and called Doris Morton, father unknown.
Doris Morton was born in 1912 October 13th in Newcastle. Her parents were James Morton and Margaret Jane Morton. On her birth certificate it says her mother was Margaret Jane Morton Late Hudson family name Gibson. I have found that Margaret Jane Hudson married James Morton in April 1912 in Newcastle, she would have already been pregnant with Doris at this time.
I have also found that Margaret Jane Gibson married John Thomas Hudson in 1904 and was registered living with him in 1911 Benwell. So between 1911 and 1912 she will have left John Thomas Hudson married James Morton and Has Doris, I can't seem to find out what happened to her first husband however in 1911 it says he was unemployed due to blindness.
I can't seem to find James Morton living with Margaret Jane Morton and daughter Doris after her birth.
As far as my grandads childhood goes I have no idea. We think he was put first into a children's home as we have some photos of him Doris kept in what looks like a children's home. He knows he was placed in a few foster homes and can remember one with someone called Mrs Todd in Oxford. His mother collected him from this foster home one day he thinks when he was around 8 and took him to live with her she was a house keeper for a Mr Montague William Blanchford Mr Blanchford then adopted my grandad we are not sure why. Mr Blanchford had a wife Alice Mary blanchford but although she would visit they did not live together.
If anyone has any connections to any of these people it would be great to know or if anyone can find out what happened to my grandads grandparents or his mother during his early years that would be great.
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Welcome to Rootschat Vicky9284.
Are you saying Doris was 12 when she had Peter?
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Hi
Welcome to rootschat
A free search of the 1939 register has living in Abingdon R D
Peter Blanchford (Morton) 1934
Frank Cotmarr and 2 more people are on this record
1 more person who is officially closed
This would tie in with this birth
Births Sep 1934
Morton Peter mmn Morton Newcastle T. 10b 186
The Blanchford name would have been an amendment on the register after 1939
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Sorry mistyped he was born in 1934 :)
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Wow thank you I had no idea where he was sent/living after his birth. Will look into it now. Just one question what does 1 more person officially closed mean?
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It means that they are possibly still living so the record is not available to view
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John Thomas Hudson
age at death 29
registered J quarter Newcastle Upon Tyne 1911
so lets assume from this she may not have left her husband his death certificate will state if his wife was present at his death
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Harold Hudson,birth registered Newcastle March Quarter 1906,mother Gibson,death registered same Month,
Jennie Hudson,mother Gibson,birth registered Newcastle D Quarter 1907,feath registered the same month,
Thomas Hudson,mother Gibson birth registered Newcastle,December 1908 ,death registered D,Q 1908 aged 0,
Gibson Robert Hudson,mother Gibson,birth registered Newcastle J Quarter 1911 couple of Roberts death recorded
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rather interesting that Doris is granted probate when Montague dies have you applied for a copy of his will
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Have you considered sending a enquiry to Barnardo's to see if your Grandfather was in their care before he was adopted,there is a fee but the information is invaluable
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Doris is still living with her mother in Marianople St Newcastle in 1934 and 1935 and 36 there is another lady living with them Margaret Convery,or they are living with her
I am thinking Doris's mother may have died in 1936
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Thank you so much for your replies. I found out that Margaret Jane Hudson and John Thomas Hudson had 4 children all of which had died but it's so interesting to know their names. I had not been able to find a death for John so that is a great find I will look into getting a copy of his death certificate.
How would I go about getting a copy of Montagues will? I am really starting to think that Montague is my grandads father but can never place him and Doris together in fact I can't find where either of them lived in the 1930s 1940s. I know they lived in Oxford together when my grandad was around 9 as this is the age he thinks he was collected from foster care and taken to live with them.
During his time in foster care he remembers Doris coming to visit him but always knew her as Auntie Doris it wasn't until he was taken to live with them Montague told my grandad that Doris was his mother it was then he was told to call him father. When my grandad was going to join the army around 18 years old he was told that Montague had adopted him to carry on the family name. We have no adoption papers so have no idea when this adoption took place.
My grandad had no birth certificate so the one I have was done in 1959 when he would have needed it to get married.
He only once asked his mother who his dad was later on in life but she would not tell him saying he would not forgive her.
My grandad knows that his last foster home was with a Mr and Mrs Todd he stayed with them for a good few years they had children Ada, Homer and another I don't know. He remembers them living at the level crossing Woodstock in Oxford. I think maybe they were friends with Doris as they did stay in contact.
I also can not seem to find out what happened to James Morton.
My grandad says that although Doris did not talk of her mother much she was alive through some of my grandads childhood he says that Doris went to her funeral and that she was killed by a tram however I can not find anything to say this is true. So he may have that completely wrong as he did never meet her.
I will deffintly contact Barnardos :)
Its all such a mystery but thank you again for your help you are all much better at this than I am.
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Possibly died in
James Morton aged 35 years death registered March 1925
if you follow them through the electoral registers for Newcastle they are together until that year
in Gill Street,I can't see any more children for them
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Thank you again what is the best way to search/track using the electoral registers I have been using ancestry but find it hard to follow. Do you know if Doris was also registered living with them up until that time?
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she wouldnt be registered until she was 21 and yes she is with her mother up to 1936
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in 1937
Margaret Convery is still at the address,16 Marianople Street but there is no Doris or Margaret Jane Morton there
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This is just a guess Vicky,Doris's Dad died in 1925 leaving Margaret a widow with a young daughter,in 1934 Doris becomes pregnant but is still at home with her mother two years later mother dies and leaves Doris on her own with a toddler,she needs to work and perhaps has to put her child into care so she can,perhaps she goes into service or even war work and meets Montague who knows,they become close and she tells him about her son,and he having none of his own welcomes him into his home,it was probably a private adoption so there may be no court papers any way this is just a guess,nothing concrete to base it on until you have your Grandad's records from the childrens home
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You may well be correct, although I think he went to a children's home when he was 10 months old. We have a little photo album of Doris holding grandad at 10 months. Then we have about 10 photos of him at different ages up until 2 with a lady. Did you find that Margaret Jane Morton died around 1836?
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yes 1936 Margaret J Morton estimated birth 1882
died Newcastle September 1936
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what website are you using to search? I think i have found Margaret Jane's parents and she had a lot of siblings but i cant seem to place any of them after 1901, was hoping to see if any of them had children to see if my Grandad has any living relatives.
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Family search org, GRO, Free bmd
Ancestry
nothing special
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are you looking at the one in 1901
father William mother Jane
siblings
Alice,
William
Florence
Annie
Edward
Winifred
Gladys
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Yes that was the one I was looking at :)
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Alice birth registered Newcastle,September 1885
Margaret Jane birth registered Newcastle March 1882
William birth registered Newcastle June or July 1887
Florence birth registered March 1889
Annie birth registered as Annie Elizabeth September 1891
Edward birth registered,December 1893
Winifred birth registered as Mary Winifred,September 1895
Gladys birth registered march 1898
all of the above have mother Adamson
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Great thank you so much my grandad remembers an auntie Alice coming to visit his mother a few times when he was living with her and Montague so maybe that Alice, although he thinks she was called Alice young and I can find no Alice Gibson's marrying a young so maybe not. We also have pictures of Doris in her teens with a few girls in one and a boy in another she told my grandad they were her cousins so guessing they were one of her siblings children.
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What about the Alice Gibson that may have married Alfred Young
Newcastle June 1911
have you eliminated that one
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I had not even found that your are amazing will look into that first thing tomorrow :)
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Okay Vicky I am picking up little bits but the 1911 would be helpful
as it looks like one sister Gladys Crighton went to New Zealand after marrying in 1920
she come home in 1960 address staying at was 48 Stanhope Street Newcastle
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I'm going to have a stab at a family tree for Doris.
Doris Morton
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James Morton=Margaret Jane Hudson (née Gibson) [married 2/4 1912 at Newcastle]
born 1889 born 1882
at Newcastle at Newcastle
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James Morton=Isabella Patterson [married 1/4 1879 at Newcastle]
born 1889 born 1859
at Turvellaws at Gateshead
Wooler
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George Morton=Elizabeth Bryson [Marriages: At Wooler, on the 2nd inst. Mr George Morton to Miss
bap. 5/11/1815 Elizabeth Bryson (Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury,
at Alnwick Saturday 9th of May 1846)]
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Andrew Morton=Ann Stewart [13 November 1814, Andrew Morton of Alnwick, widower and Ann
born around 1790 Stewart of Alnwick, spinster, by banns at Alnwick. Wit. Robt. Dunn,
at Chillingham, John Dodds
Northumberland
Andrew was a Presbyterian and there is no record of his baptism in any of the Anglican parishes. He may be in an as yet untranscribed Presbyterian register. He was previously married to Dorothy ? who was buried 12/8/1813 at Alnwick aged 31[no marriage traced] They had a daughter, Isabella [Isabella daughter of Andrew and Dorothy Morton in Heckley Fence in the Parish of Alnwick in the county of Northumberland was born 19th baptised 23rd of August 1812 at Alnwick Presbyterian Chapel]
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St Pauls Elswick
19th January 1880
William Gibson,aged 27 years,father William Gibson
and Jane Adamson,aged 19, father John,
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Yes that would deffintly be correct, I went in my grandads attic yesterday and pulled out a few things one being an address book Doris kept. In there there is a Mr and Mrs Crichton 289 royal road, Massey, Auckland 8. New Zealand there is also a Renee living in new zealand. I also found my grandads adoption papers he wasn't adopted by Montague blanchford until 1951 he was then giving the name Peter Montague blanchford. They lived st 52 st Ann's road, Headington, Oxford.
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Thank you Andrew, so that is my grandads grandfather's side. He is going to be so made up with all this information when I put it together and give it to him as the only family member he knew was his mother.
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wonder who they were visiting in Stanhope Street
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Pop this in your to research file
in 1918,1919 there is an Edward and Jane Gibson,living at 50 Stanhope St,Alfred Cato Lynn is at 48 with a Mary Jane Lynn,(Hall)
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I'm wondering if you have been able to place Margaret Jane Morton and Doris anywhere between 1925 and 1934, also have had no luck placing Doris after her mother died I know she ended up in Oxford but have no idea when she went and who she went to.
Also from talking to my grandad today he said that when he went to live with Doris and Montague they rented a room together in a pub in Oxford the Talbot inn and then rented a room at 52 st Ann's road, it wasn't until my grandad was around 20 that Montague came into money from the death of his dad and they all moved to Devon together. The thing that is now confusing me is that it was said that Doris was montague's house keeper now I'm sure he can't have had a house keeper for a rented one bedroom.
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1918,1919,1920,1921,1922,and up to 1925 Margaret Jane and James Morton in Gill Street,Fenham
in 1926 Margaret is still at the above address,there is one male living with her by the name of John Westmorland,husband has died,
in 1929 still in Gill Street,no other adults in the house
1932 still in Gill Street,no other adults registered
1934,1935,1936,Doris is with her mother 16 Marianople St,after this I do not see them again in the registers
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I still think you need to apply for Grandads childrens home documents these will probably fill in all the important stuff
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Does your Grandad remember being in a childrens home ?
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;D ok so do you think they would have been living at either of these 2 addresses in 1933 as this was the year my grandad was conceived. What I am thinking is that Doris up and moved to Oxford when her mum died so should be living there sometime after 1937. I can't find Montague in 1933 I know he is living in London with his wife Alice Mary I think 36 37 38 but then he disappears.
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It's difficult to say my grandad thinks he was but I don't know if it's a memory or just what he thinks is a children's home in photos. From talking to him I don't think he was officially fostered out either it seems that his mother must have know these people. He remembers waking up one Christmas morning in a foster home Mrs Chandler' s and his mother who he knew as auntie Doris being on the end of his bed. He also remembers being at one address for a day before he was taken to a shop where he thinks doris was working and thrown at her as he has pushed the ladies son in a river. His last foster home was with a Mr and Mrs Todd he remembers this one the most and stayed there the longest Doris used to visit him there or so he thinks but this is where Montague and Doris collected him from. Doris has a Mrs Chandler and a Mrs Todd in her address book both living in Oxford.
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Mrs Chandler and a Mrs Todd in her address book both living in Oxford.
Late to the thread...
Do those women have forenames in the address book or are the titled plain 'Mrs' or 'Mrs x' (x being an initial)?
Is there an actual address for either/both?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
She has a Mrs Ann Chandler living at 10 bickenton road, Headington, Oxford and she has a Mrs Todd 9 park I think it says lelese or blese yarnton Kidlington oxford
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Other addresses she has in Oxford are a Mrs Burgess 5 bowness quenne headington Oxford. A Mrs cook 78a walton street Oxford. A Mr and Mrs Ewing 333 Holloway Cowley Oxford (my grandad thinks he may have stayed here) A Mrs yolis 42 poplar grove kennington oxford.
She also has 2 addresses for Newcastle a Mrs Alice young who I'm sure I'm sure is her auntie bolam or bolan house welfare home west end Newcastle upon Tyne and a Effie 108 grannille or Graminlle road Gosforth Newcastle on Tyne 3.
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Yes Alice Young was a relative we found her marriage didn't we ,but Effie s a harder one to track down
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Yes we found her marriage to Alfred young. I have found that Alice young and her brother (can't think which brother of the top of my head as I'm not with my paperwork) are registered living at 48 Stanhope in the 1939 register so that must be who Gladys came back to in 1960
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The brother Alice is living with in 1939 in Edward Gibson.
Have looked into the 1939 register which puts my grandad at the age of 5 living in Abingdon road Berkshire. The strange thing is he was written down as Peter Morton but above it has been changed to blanchford. Surely this would mean that Montague would have known my grandad at at least 5. Grandad is living with a Frank cotmarr born 1878, Ernest j songshaw, Sylvia songshaw born 1909 and 1 other person that says officially closed.
I cant place Doris in the 1939 register there are 4 Doris Morton's that fit but they are at places that she has no connections with. I found Montague in this 1939 register also but he is living with his wife in London.
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I think it would have been added a lot lot later,I have a copy of my family in 1939 and in it is written all their married names they were not married for a long time after, these were amendments
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Oh i see didnt realise they could change them after, but that does make sense.
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The officially closed person I'm guessing is because they are or could be still alive but why would I be able to see my grandads name as he is still alive?
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Have you applied for Grandads original birth 1934 certificate,from the GRO,
if he was born at home it will have his address on ,also it will state who registered his birth
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I have no access to the 1939 sorry so I can not comment
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The birth certificate i have for my grandad says registration district newcastle upon Tyne in the sub-district of all saints in the county borough newcastle upon Tyne. It says he was born 20th July 1934. His mum was Doris Morton in section 4 and 6 about the father has a line through. Section 7 says Margaret Jane Morton grandmother present at birth 16 marianople street newcastle. In section 8 when registered it says 1st September 1934 the registrar was v.g Godfrey. At the edge of the birth certificate it says adopted G.Craighill superintendent registrar. At the bottom it is stamped and dated 11th September 1959. My grandad said he went to somerset house in 1959 to get a birth certificate so he could get married to my nan so this must have been copied off the original?
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*update* Have found a living relative of my grandads Blanchford side he would be my grandads first cousin once removed. Hopefully they will both be doing the ancestry dna soon so we may finally be able to know if Montague was my grandads real father or not, after all these years which is amazing :)
I'm still working on trying to find Doris living anywhere after 1937 but have had no luck so far.
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Hi Vicky I have George Morton born Heckley,Alnwick in my family tree. I have quite a lot of information about this family and when they went to Newcastle.
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Hello I am finding my Morton research very hard I know my great great grandad was James Morton and he married my gg grandmother Margaret Jane in Newcastle 1912. He was 24 at time of marriage so have worked his birth year to be around 1987. I thought his father was also James Morton however I have since received his marriage certificate which states his father as William Morton who was a farmer. Do you have any William Morton's in your research? Thank you