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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: iwccc on Sunday 10 September 17 13:37 BST (UK)
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Trying to find information on what goods would have been sold in a "Deli" in the 1920/30's in Dee why Sydney, N.S.W. Would it have been called a "Ham and Beef Shop". As the shop was opposite the beach would it serve pies, sandwiches etc. Would you be able to get a billy of hot water from such a shop etc.
Love to hear from anyone that can help me fill in what a forebears life was like as a shopkeeper. I'm guessing that it would be all about serving. customers and not 'self serve'
Any suggestions of what sort of products were available in this era. Thank you
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Are you familiar with Australian newspapers on line - Trove?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
For example, search for "delicatessen" and restrict search to 1920-1940?
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thanks Hanes tealu, I have used Trove before and since your suggestion I tried again but to no avail....can't seem to find any information on what a Deli shop sold or was like in the 1920/30's.
Does anyone else have a family that ran a similar business and knows what sort of goods were sold etc?
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply
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Does "Deli" mean something specific in 1920/1930's Dee Why Sydney N.S.W rather than simply an abbreviation of "Delicatessen"?
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Hi hanes teulu, No 'deli' is just my shortened form of delicatessen. The family always said 'he ran a deli business' Regards
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Please do consider using Trove's pictures etc and keyword Delicatessen. There's photos there that may give you some clues. http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=
Also have you contacted the local government authority for Dee Why, they may have records from that era, or perhaps know of someone involved in collating their local history .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Why
If the shop was in a strip of shops opposite the beach, then perhaps you could research the strip to determine what was sold in the other shops, to eliminate some of the items on your list.
JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223215683 25 May 1928 The Sun
Fire in Ham and Beef Shop
A fire which broke out at 4 a.m. today in the dwelling and ham and beef shop of Charles Woolnough, of The Strand, Dee Why, destroyed the kitchen and washhouse and damaged the rest of the building.
NSW Electoral Roll 1930 WARRINGAH, polling at Narrabeen
Albert Charles WOOLNOUGH, The Strand, Dee Why smallgoodsman
Ruby Caroline WOOLNOUGH, The Strand, Ocean Beach, Dee Why, h.d. (home duties)
JM
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Entries for Sands directories closed in the October, for the following year’s publication. For example, entry for 1925 was lodged by October 1924 …. And for 1927 by October 1926…
Sands 1925 Sydney Directory
A C WOOLNOUGH, Garland Ave, Epping
Woolnough & Co, grocers, Bridge Street, Epping.
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1925-1929/1925-part17.pdf
same details 1927
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1925-1929/1927-part18.pdf
NEW DETAILS 1928 (possibly moved to Dee Why during 1927 ;D )
Sands Directory 1928
A.C. Woolnough, The Strand, Dee Why
A.C. Woolnough, Garland Ave, Epping (NOTE, no entry for shop at Bridge St Epping :D )
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1925-1929/1928-part19.pdf
Sands 1929
A.C. Wolnough, The Strand, Dee Why
(NOTE, no entry for Garland Ave Epping)
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1925-1929/1929-part19.pdf
Sands 1929 TRADE directory
Ham & Beef
A.C. Woolnough, The Strand, Dee Why.
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1925-1929/1929-part21.pdf
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.msg5267800#msg5267800
JM
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Probate Packet https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1226517
Albert Charles WOOLNOUGH - Date of Death 23/04/1966, Granted on 01/02/1967 Series 4-624600
Death notice Albert Charles WOOLNOUGH (left hand page in this link) http://tinyurl.com/ya638hhz
Death notice Ruby Caroline WOOLNOUGH (pg 13 in this link) http://tinyurl.com/y7as4a5f
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Business up for sale
SMH 8Feb1929 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16529552/1198226 (see 1st column, pg 3)
LEADING HAM, BEEF, and Delicacy Store, well established, good shop trade, and sound outside run, all cash, top prices, over £2000 turnover. Full stock and plant including motor car delivery, good lease, low rent, tiled front up to date shop and dwelling, merchants and bank references. Full Price £375, cash or terms. Apply
A. C. WOOLNOUGH, The Strand
Delicatessen, Ocean Beach, Deewhy
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SMH 16DEC1937 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17425501 (2nd column)
PROVISIONS. Smallgoods Round. Consistent congenial business established 6 years. Five full working days week. Plant includes Werner cooling chamber. Invicta bacon slicer. Plymouth truck. Every convenience Turnover £2000. Prlce £475
Particulars A. C. WOOLNOUGH
DEEWHY Phone. YB532
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An article about the types of goods in a deli.
The Journal (Adelaide) 31st Jan1920 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/213321792 (3rd column)
Concerning Chic
.... Another shop that roused my admiration is called "Ye Savorie," and devoted to everything in the way of delicatessen, such as caviare, Indian pickles, and luxuries of that kind. Garlic sausages for sandwiches, great pink hams, and innumerable attractive edibles fill up a shining white-painted window, into which an immacuately white clad shop assistant dashes, at intervals, a long silverer harpoon, that reaches dainties in the very farthest corner of the window. There is nothing chic about garlic sausages, but the whole establishment is chic in its own line.
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Hi Iwccc,
I notice you are online at the moment (green light lit up), perhaps you could confirm if the information posted in these replies is helpful, or are you looking for the owners/operators before and after Charles Woolnough ?
JM
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Hi, Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions regarding a Deli shop at 11 The Strand,Dee Why. I am actually seeking to find information about James Dargavel Copland who I am led to believe rented the shop after Albert Charles Woolnough. James would have gone there in the 1930/40's and stayed on at that shop until he retired in the 1950's. Can't seem to find a reference anywhere to the shop being "No.11"
I would love to find a photograph of the shop also. Tried various ideas but so far no answer. I have managed to get an aerial shot of Dee Why Beach and can just make out The Strand and possible placement of No.11.
thanks again everyone for helping
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TROVE
The Methodist, Sat 11 Dec, 1937
"Lady help, plain cooking, £1 weekly, liberal outings. Woods, 11 The Strand, Dee Why. Y8041"
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Thanks Hanes tealu - Am I right....is the word "Woods" the name of the person wanting help.
If this is so that means that James Dargavel Copland would not have been in the shop until some time after 1937.
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There is a probate packet for James:
James Dargavel Copland - Date of Death 26/07/1959, Granted on 05/11/1959
You can see the current no11 on Street view:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place//@-33.7544623,151.2964625,3a,28.2y,266.14h,93.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sM5efGOiMedkwlcbLXINNrg!2e0?hl=en-au
Jamjar
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Thanks Jamjar. Shame I. can't track down a photo of the building in the 1930's. Very helpful