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Title: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 14:32 BST (UK)
Hello, I am rubbish at these things. This is the birth record of my great grandmother.
Can anyone read what it says? I know her name was Amelia Henderson Brand, I think she was born 21st November 1881. But I can't read anything else, or who her parents were, where they were and date married.

Any help would be most welcome, thanks

I am having trouble uploading it, will try again, it says it is too big, but i don't know how to down size it. Can I send it to someone via private message on here ? Hopefully it will upload.
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 11 September 17 14:35 BST (UK)
We are not allowed to load the whole certificate.  Have you tried cropping a small part of it
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 14:44 BST (UK)
Hopefully this works
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Dazey999 on Monday 11 September 17 14:46 BST (UK)
Could it possibly read:  Born Dennistoun, Lanark, Scotland.  Parents:  David Brand and Mary Scott
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 14:48 BST (UK)
I have know idea, why I have asked on here. But yes it could maybe. Thanks
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 11 September 17 14:48 BST (UK)
Agree with Parents David/Mary Brand.
Married 17 Dec 1880 Kenmuir?
Father a Police Constable.
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Dazey999 on Monday 11 September 17 14:51 BST (UK)
Married 17 dec 1880 Kenmuir.  Address 11 Armfield st, glasgow.  David a police constable.  Last post was before you posted the certificate 😉
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 11 September 17 14:56 BST (UK)
Looks like David may have remarried;

1901 Census
Glasgow Newlands,Lanarkshire
Address:   Gt Eastern Rd Police Buildings
David Brand, 43, Mar, Police Constable, born Bervie, Kincardineshire
Alice Brand, 35, Wife
AMELIA H Brand, 19******
Agnes Brand, 17
David Brand, 15
Johanna Brand, 13
Jessie Brand, 11
William Brand, 9
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 14:57 BST (UK)
Thanks so much guys, from that just found 1091 census and all my great grandmothers other siblings. Cheers. Its Ok paying for records, I have spent fortunes, think I have personally managed to read 3 out of about 30 :-) 
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 11 September 17 14:57 BST (UK)
I think it's 11 Annfield Street. David and Mary Brand are there in 1881.( Unless my subscription site has transcribed it incorrectly )  ;D
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 11 September 17 15:00 BST (UK)
1891 Census
David Brand, 32
MARY S Brand, 34, Wife, born Dundee, Forfarshire***
AMILIA Brand, 9***
Agnes Brand, 7
David Brand, 5
Johanna Brand, 3
Jessie Brand, 1
William Brand, 23, Boarder (Brother), Joiner, born Glen Bervie, Kincardineshire
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 15:10 BST (UK)
So are they all Mary Scotts and David brands children, or are any of them his new wife's ? It confuses me.
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 11 September 17 15:28 BST (UK)
Hard to know exactly, these Children are definitely Mary Scotts as she is still alive in 1891;
 AMILIA Brand, 9***
Agnes Brand, 7
David Brand, 5
Johanna Brand, 3
Jessie Brand, 1

You would need the Marriage to a Alice to see if William c 1892 is Mary or Alices child.
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: isobelw on Monday 11 September 17 15:35 BST (UK)
Mary Brand or Scott died in Camlachie (Glasgow) in 1897 age 40. David Brand married Alice Reid or Smith in Dennistoun(Glasgow) in 1899. From SP indexes.
Isobel
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 11 September 17 15:36 BST (UK)
Williams christening is on Familysearch.Org 8 Dec 1891m St Celents Church, Glasgow
Parents David BRAND and Mary SCOTT

Excellent Isobel :)

So all children are Davids with Mary Scott on 1901 Census.
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 18:11 BST (UK)
Thanks so much, can you by any chance read this one too? I have loads of records I have brought, but I can't read half.
Also I have been looking to buy the 1911 census for Amelia Brand, who would of been married by then to Robert Wallace and having my grandmother Mary Scott Wallace, but can't find that anywhere.

But can anyone make out the parents address if any, or birth place and the mothers maiden name?
I think it also might say the father is a baker?

Thanks
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 11 September 17 18:25 BST (UK)
I think it's 11 Annfield Street. David and Mary Brand are there in 1881.( Unless my subscription site has transcribed it incorrectly )  ;D

I would agree on Annfield Street as the letter 'r' is quite distinct (a different shape) elsewhere on the doc.

Annie
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: isobelw on Monday 11 September 17 18:31 BST (UK)
Amelia's address is Police Buildings, Great Eastern Road ( thanks Rosinish!) and her groom is living at 732 Gallowgate, Glasgow. His father is Robert Wallace, who is a Baker, and his mother is Sarah Wallace nee Clark.
Isobel
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 11 September 17 18:35 BST (UK)
Robert Wallace, Agricultural Implement Fitter, 732 Gallowgate, Glasgow

Mother's maiden name Clark

Amelia Henderson, Confectionery Worker, Police Buildings, Great Eastern Road, Glasgow

Mother's maiden name Scott

Annie

Had red alert
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: isobelw on Monday 11 September 17 19:07 BST (UK)
Amelia and Robert are in Camlachie in 1911 living with Robert's parents, Robert age 63 and Sarah Jane Clan ( think this is probably Clark) age 59. Amelia is down as Archie Henderson Wallace (female age 29) on Scotlandspeople! No sign of Mary Scott Wallace, but there is a Robert age 6. Ref is 644/2 11/28. You would need to check the census on Scotlandspeople to make absolutely sure what it says, but I'm pretty sure this is them.
Isobel
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 19:26 BST (UK)
Mary scott wallace is my grandmother,

This is all I have for her,, thought she might of been a only child, it would be amazing if she did have other siblings.

Mary Scott Wallace
1905–1973
Birth 17 AUG 1905 • Camlachie, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death 15 FEB 1973 • Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 11 September 17 20:00 BST (UK)
This looks quite good...

WALLACE MARY
1911
6
644/2 37/ 30
Camlachie
Lanark

Maybe with relatives?

Annie

Add...

I don't know enough about the family but I have checked others with Wallace surname against same ref. no....

WALLACE ANNIE
1911
2
644/2 37/ 30
Camlachie

WALLACE JEANIE
11
644/2 37/ 30
Camlachie

WALLACE MARGARET
45
644/2 37/ 30
Camlachie
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: Taylor111 on Monday 11 September 17 20:08 BST (UK)
Maybe, who else is on it ? :-)
Title: Re: Can any one help please with this birth record please
Post by: isobelw on Monday 11 September 17 21:35 BST (UK)
Mary Wallace  (age 5) is with her grandparents David and Alice Brand in 1911. They are in Camlachie 644/2 28/13. There is also a David Wallace age 3 listed with them. Possibly David Brand Wallace born Camlachie 1907. He appears to have died in Lennoxtown in 1998 age 91.
Isobel