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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: BAC3 on Tuesday 12 September 17 14:27 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Thomas EAST was born 1841 in North Road, Preston, the son of Letitia EAST and, possibly, Thomas EAST. There were 5 siblings, Jane, William, Elizabeth, Henry and Letitia (See 1851 England Census: HO107/2267/681, p.27)
I believe he married 24 year old Nancy GORTON in December 1863 and had 5 children, John, Letty (Letitia), Margery, Maggie and Lilly.........my linkage here is the second child Letty (Letitia) with his mother and sister ::) He presumably died in Ormskirk in 1873.
Can anyone confirm, or otherwise, my profile is correct please.
Thank you,
BAC3
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Hi
Letitia East birth registered 1850 Preston Union has mother's maiden name of Bradley
as did
1841 Thomas
1844 Elizabeth
1847 Henry
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1861
61 Brown Street, Preston
Lettice East Head 57 Widow Housekeeper
Jane East Daughter 25 Cotton Power Loom weaver
William East Son 22 Plasterer
Thomas East Son 19 Stone Mason Apprentice
Elizabeth East Daughter 16 Cotton Power Loom Weaver
William Crook Lodger 72 Widower Chelsea Pensioner
RG9/3135/120/10
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1871
Toll Bar Ravenstonedale, Cumbria
William Holme Head 43 born YorkshireToll Collector
Annas Holme Wife 40
Mary Holme Daughter 14
Agnes Holme Daughter 6
Charles Leasman Boarder 21 born Manchester Mason
Thomas East Boarder 29 born Preston Unmarried Mason
RG10/5272/88/1
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Marriage: 9 Nov 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas East - (X), Full, Labourer, Bachelor, Riley's Gdns.
Nancy Gorton - (X), Full, Spinster, Riley's Gdns.
Groom's Father: Thomas East, Carter
Bride's Father: John Gorton, Labourer
Witness: John Holding; Margery Gorton
Married by Banns by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
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Thank you heatherjulie,
The 1871 Census has the "stonemason" link but he is not the same person who married Nancy GORTON? I cannot find an 1871 Census entry for the latter's husband to confirm that Thomas EAST's occupation as Stonemason. I tried the Parish Clerks but that result, showing Thomas EAST as a Labourer, probably indicates that the 1871 entry is correct.
BAC3
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1868 Margaret East mmn Gorton registered North Meols
1872 Lilly East mmn Gorton registered Formby
1871
Birkdale
Nancy East Head 33 married born Southport Charwoman
John East Son 9 born Southport
Letty East Daughter 6 born Southport
Margery East Daughter 5 born Southport
Margaret East Daughter 2 born Southport
Nancy Gorton Mother 69 Widow born Southport
RG10/3872/33/29
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1881
18 Grove street, Birkdale
Nancy East Head 42 Widow Green Grocer
John East Son 19
Margery East Daughter 14
Maggie East Daughter 12
Lilly East Daughter 9
Nancy Gorton Mother 82 Widow
RG11/3745/34/32
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Baptism Date:26 May 1868
Southport, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Margaret East
Father Thomas East Stonemason
Mother Nancy East
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Letitia East
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1873
Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father:Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother:Nancy East
Lilly East
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1873
Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father:Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother:Nancy East
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Margaret East
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1873
Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother: Nancy East
Name: Margery East
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1873
Parish: Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother: Nancy East
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Thomas's death is registered April Quarter 1873 so Nancy had the children baptised in case she needed Parish relief???
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heatherjulie,
I am a little confused but is the 1871 unmarried Thomas EAST no connection? Otherwise my initial assumption is probably correct?
Thank you for all your efforts. I am extremely grateful.
BAC3
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heatherjulie,
I am a little confused but is the 1871 unmarried Thomas EAST no connection? Otherwise my initial assumption is probably correct?
Thank you for all your efforts. I am extremely grateful.
BAC3
I think that it could be him but they have put unmarried by mistake. I can't see another Thomas East who is a stonemason in the 1871 census.
Heather
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Good Evening Heather,
I tend to agree with you and will run with that observation.
Thank you for all your help.
Tony
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I agree with others who say that "unmarried" on census when he was a lodger was probably a mistake. My 3xGGF was down as "lodger" and "unmarried" on a census. His wife, less than a mile away with their 3 children, including a young baby, was listed as married. It may have been that a census collector turned up to collect the form while the lodger was out and whoever completed the form or gave information had forgotten to ask if the lodger was married. I noticed he was there with another mason. I wondered if they were working on one of the railways, perhaps the South Durham & Lancashire Union Railway aka Stainmore Railway. Built as a single line, it was doubled due to increase in traffic. Expansion work began 1866. Construction of Settle & Carlisle line was 1870s.
2 possible explanations for "labourer" on marriage record:
1.Simple clerical error.
2.He married at the time of the Lancashire Cotton Famine which was a consequence of the American Civil War. As a result, an estimated quarter of the population of Preston claimed Poor Relief during those years. A school log book showed very poor attendance due to children's clothes and clogs having been pawned to raise money for rent or food. Work schemes were set up and unemployed men were paid with tokens which they could exchange for food. One such scheme was laying out a park by the river. A town suffering economic depression wouldn't need as many stonemasons. Perhaps Thomas took whatever work he could get at the time.
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"..my linkage here is the second child Letty (Letitia)"
What happened to Letty. Later events in her life might lead to earlier EAST connections.
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Some interesting thoughts, very sympathetic with the comments above.........thank you.
BAC3
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Letitia (Letty/Lily) East born in Southport is living with her mother in West Street Southport in 1901 and in 1911with her sister. In both she is listed as single.
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Thomas's death is registered April Quarter 1873 so Nancy had the children baptised in case she needed Parish relief???
Would baptism have made any difference to obtaining Poor Relief? It wasn't administered through the church parish. The widowed mother may have hoped to receive extra charity through the church if the family members were parishioners.