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Title: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: BAC3 on Tuesday 12 September 17 14:27 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thomas EAST was born 1841 in North Road, Preston, the son of Letitia EAST and, possibly, Thomas EAST.  There were 5 siblings, Jane, William, Elizabeth, Henry and Letitia (See 1851 England Census: HO107/2267/681, p.27)

I believe he married 24 year old Nancy GORTON in December 1863 and had 5 children, John, Letty (Letitia), Margery, Maggie and Lilly.........my linkage here is the second child Letty (Letitia) with his mother and sister ::)   He presumably died in Ormskirk in 1873.

Can anyone confirm, or otherwise, my profile is correct please.

Thank you,

BAC3

Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 15:48 BST (UK)
Hi
Letitia East birth registered 1850 Preston Union has mother's maiden name of Bradley
as did
1841 Thomas
1844 Elizabeth
1847 Henry

Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 15:57 BST (UK)
1861
61 Brown Street, Preston

Lettice East   Head 57 Widow Housekeeper
Jane East           Daughter 25 Cotton Power Loom weaver
William East   Son 22 Plasterer
Thomas East   Son 19 Stone Mason Apprentice
Elizabeth East   Daughter 16 Cotton Power Loom Weaver
William Crook   Lodger 72 Widower Chelsea Pensioner

RG9/3135/120/10
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:02 BST (UK)
1871

Toll Bar Ravenstonedale, Cumbria

William Holme   Head 43 born YorkshireToll Collector
Annas Holme   Wife 40
Mary Holme   Daughter 14
Agnes Holme   Daughter 6
Charles Leasman Boarder 21 born Manchester Mason
Thomas East   Boarder 29 born Preston Unmarried Mason
RG10/5272/88/1

Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:07 BST (UK)
Marriage: 9 Nov 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas East - (X), Full, Labourer, Bachelor, Riley's Gdns.
Nancy Gorton - (X), Full, Spinster, Riley's Gdns.
Groom's Father: Thomas East, Carter
Bride's Father: John Gorton, Labourer
Witness: John Holding; Margery Gorton
Married by Banns by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: BAC3 on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:18 BST (UK)
Thank you heatherjulie,

The 1871 Census has the "stonemason" link but he is not the same person who married Nancy GORTON?   I cannot find an 1871 Census entry for the latter's husband to confirm that Thomas EAST's occupation as Stonemason.  I tried the Parish Clerks but that result, showing Thomas EAST as a Labourer, probably indicates that the 1871 entry is correct.

BAC3
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:18 BST (UK)
1868 Margaret East mmn Gorton registered North Meols
1872 Lilly East mmn Gorton registered Formby

1871
Birkdale
Nancy East Head 33 married born Southport Charwoman
John East   Son 9 born Southport
Letty East   Daughter 6 born Southport
Margery East   Daughter 5 born Southport
Margaret East   Daughter 2 born Southport
Nancy Gorton   Mother 69 Widow born Southport

RG10/3872/33/29
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:21 BST (UK)
1881
18 Grove street, Birkdale
Nancy East   Head 42 Widow Green Grocer
John East           Son 19
Margery East   Daughter 14
Maggie East   Daughter 12
Lilly East           Daughter 9
Nancy Gorton   Mother 82 Widow

RG11/3745/34/32
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:24 BST (UK)
Baptism Date:26 May 1868
Southport, Christ Church, Lancashire, England

Margaret East
Father Thomas East Stonemason
Mother Nancy East
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:27 BST (UK)
Letitia East
Baptism Date:   20 Apr 1873
Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England

Father:Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother:Nancy East

Lilly East
Baptism Date:   20 Apr 1873
Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England

Father:Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother:Nancy East
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:30 BST (UK)
Margaret East
Baptism Date:   20 Apr 1873
Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England

Father:   Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother:   Nancy East

Name:   Margery East
Baptism Date:   20 Apr 1873
Parish:   Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England

Father:   Thomas East Stonemason Decd
Mother:   Nancy East
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:38 BST (UK)
Thomas's death is registered April Quarter 1873 so Nancy had the children baptised in case she needed Parish relief???
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: BAC3 on Tuesday 12 September 17 16:41 BST (UK)
heatherjulie,

I am a little confused but is the 1871 unmarried Thomas EAST no connection?   Otherwise my initial assumption is probably correct?

Thank you for all your efforts.   I am extremely grateful.

BAC3
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 12 September 17 17:09 BST (UK)
heatherjulie,

I am a little confused but is the 1871 unmarried Thomas EAST no connection?   Otherwise my initial assumption is probably correct?

Thank you for all your efforts.   I am extremely grateful.

BAC3

I think that it could be him but they have put unmarried by mistake. I can't see another Thomas East who is a stonemason in the 1871 census.

Heather
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: BAC3 on Tuesday 12 September 17 20:03 BST (UK)
Good Evening Heather,

I tend to agree with you and will run with that observation.

Thank you for all your help.

Tony

Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 13 September 17 01:31 BST (UK)
I agree with others who say that "unmarried" on census when he was a lodger was probably a mistake. My 3xGGF was down as "lodger" and "unmarried" on a census. His wife, less than a mile away with their 3 children, including a young baby, was listed as married. It may have been that a census collector turned up to collect the form while the lodger was out and whoever completed the form or gave information had forgotten to ask if the lodger was married. I noticed he was there with another mason. I wondered if they were working on one of the railways, perhaps the South Durham & Lancashire Union Railway aka Stainmore Railway. Built as a single line, it was doubled due to increase in traffic. Expansion work began 1866. Construction of Settle & Carlisle line was 1870s.
2 possible explanations for "labourer" on marriage record:
1.Simple clerical error.
2.He married at the time of the Lancashire Cotton Famine which was a consequence of the American Civil War. As a result, an estimated quarter of the population of Preston claimed Poor Relief during those years. A school log book showed very poor attendance due to children's clothes and clogs having been pawned to raise money for rent or food.  Work schemes were set up and unemployed men were paid with tokens which they could exchange for food. One such scheme was laying out a park by the river. A town suffering economic depression wouldn't need as many stonemasons. Perhaps Thomas took whatever work he could get at the time.
 
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 13 September 17 04:22 BST (UK)

"..my linkage here is the second child Letty (Letitia)"

What happened to Letty. Later events in her life might lead to earlier EAST connections.
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: BAC3 on Wednesday 13 September 17 11:27 BST (UK)
Some interesting thoughts, very sympathetic with the comments above.........thank you.

BAC3
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: Gibel on Thursday 14 September 17 16:12 BST (UK)
Letitia (Letty/Lily) East born in Southport is living with her mother in West Street Southport in 1901 and in 1911with her sister. In both she is listed as single.
Title: Re: Thomas EAST, born 1841 North Road, Preston
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 14 September 17 23:34 BST (UK)
Thomas's death is registered April Quarter 1873 so Nancy had the children baptised in case she needed Parish relief???
Would baptism have made any difference to obtaining Poor Relief? It wasn't administered through the church parish. The widowed mother may have hoped to receive extra charity through the church if the family members were parishioners.