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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Griff55 on Wednesday 13 September 17 18:24 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm very new to family research but think my question is best suited to the immigration area.
In 1903 James Charles Hyde (born approx 1874 according to various census records but frustratingly I have not found the exact birth) married Sarah Jane Birch in Kidderminster. They had a daughter Nellie in 1904. I have found a record of a James, Sarah and Mollie Hyde arriving in New York on 16 Nov 1905. I am reasonably sure this is the right family despite the daughter's name being slightly different. I know that Sarah and Nellie were back in Kidderminster in 1911 and Sarah seemed to be in a new relationship. I would like to find out what happened to James. On the manifest it states they will be staying with a Mrs Selina Hands(?), 291 East Main Street, Amsterdam, New York. James did have a sister called Selina but I have no record of her marriage or travel to America.
I am wondering whether the family split up in America and James remained. Is it possible to find out when Sarah and Nellie returned to England to see if James was with them? Could anyone give me any pointers on tracing James please?
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This appears to be the Selina Hands mentioned.
1905 NY Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVB9-VLN
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Is this a possibility?
Declaration of Intention, Naturalization Record
James Charles Hyde, occupation Machinist.
Dark complexion, 5' 8", 150 lbs, blkbrown hair, blue eyes
Age: 32. Born April 6, 1877, Kidderminster.
Emigrated from Liverpool, England on the Majestic, arriving 16 November 1905
Last foreign residence was Kidderminster, England
Circuit Court, Eastern District, Pennsylvania
Dated: 11 October 1909
Added: address - 628 Franklin Street
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Think you got him Lisa ;) There is a Selina and George Hands listed in the Amsterdam, New York, City Directory, 1917 - saloon - 246 W Main St - h
Sandra
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Hi Sandra. :)
The odd thing is there is another man with similar details
1910 Philadelphia Ward 13, Phildelphia, PA Census
James Hyde, "Partner", age 30, Single, born England as were parents. Immigrated 1895 :-\
Machinist, Locomotive Works
He was living with Richard Puschel(?) and family. Richard was age 35, born in Germany, immigrated 1903, Machinist, Locomotive Works. Seven other Lodgers lived in this house.
629 Tenth Street
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I missed one important detail from the declaration page
Address for Mr. Hyde was 628 Franklin Street
1910 Philadelphia City Directory
James Hyde, machst h 628 N Franklin
Update: 1912 Directory has the same info as the 1910 Directory
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Thank you so much everyone! I've been looking at this for days and you've found this information in minutes! I shall hang my head in shame. Thank you for finding Selina, I can't understand why I can't find her marriage to George. It is useful to know she had children born in England though, another avenue to explore!
When I was looking initially I found another James C. Hyde
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island)
Given Name James C.
Surname Hyde
Last Place of Residence Montreal
Event Date 02 Feb 1907
Age 29y
Nationality Canada, English
Departure Port Liverpool
Arrival Port New York
Gender Male
Marital Status M
Ship Name Lucania
I had initially wondered whether James had returned with the family and then travelled back but discounted this gentleman somewhat though on age and last place of residence. Perhaps this could be the other James?
At least I now know he seems to have stayed in America though.
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1900 Census Main Street Amsterdam Ward 4, Montgomery, New York
George A Hand 40 Born England. Immigrated 1891.
Albert W Hand 13 Born England. Dec 1886.
William Hand 11 Born England. Nov 1888.
Prey Hand 9 Born England. December 1890.
Lillen Hand 6 Born NY 1893
Sandra
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The passenger list says that Selina was his sister.
There is an entry on the NY state death index for a Selma Hands who died 11 Oct. 1912 in Amsterdam, which I think might be her. George was married, but Selina was not with him in 1910. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5HQ-KTX He is still there with the same housekeeper in 1915 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9VJ-JHY
On www.fultonhistory.com, there are some Amsterdam newspapers with references to this family. An article from 1908 mentions that Mrs. George Hands had been in St. Mary's hospital for 8 months. There is also a mention of her and her daughter Lillian being injured in a car accident. An article about George's death said that he had been mentally disturbed since his housekeeper had died and he died from gas from the oven. An article about his estate said that everything was to go to his housekeeper, but since she was dead, the will gave everything to niece Sarah Hands of Birmingham, England.
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In 1900 George A hands is listed a widowed
1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSJZ-Z3B
There is an article in Nov. 1904 that indicates he and Selina are married by then. She is referred to as "Mrs. Selina Hands"
1905 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVB9-VLF
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By 1910 George and Selina are living seperate but still listed as married. George has a housekeeper Emily Martin. The daughter Lillian is living with Selina
George 1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5HQ-KTX
Selina 1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5HQ-P33
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The son Albert W in 1900/1905 census gets married in 1910. His mother is listesd as Mary Starkweather.
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFRF-WTZ
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The daughter Lillian gets married in 1914. Her mother is listed as Mary Ann Fairweather. No mention of Selina in news clipping?
Amsterdam NY Evening Recorder
6 Feb. 1914
page 3
Lemlfty—Hands
Charles Lemley of Schenectady and Miss Lillian Hands, daughter of George A. Hands, of No. 246 West Main street, this city, were married Thursday evening a\ the rectory of SL John's church, Schenectady, by the Rev; Father P. A. Crowe. They were attended by Mr. and Mrs. William Lemley, brother and sister-in-law of the bridegroom. The bridal couple will take up their residence in Schenectady.
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFRF-L28
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In 1915 George A. is still living in the same location with the same housekeeper Emily Martin.
Can't find Selina in 1915.
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No mention of Selina?
Amsterdam NY Evening Recorder
27 Feb. 1912
George Hands, of No. 246. East Main street, left for New York city today, and will sail from there for England, where he will pass several weeks.
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George A Hands died in Sept/Oct 1918. Again no mention of Selina?
Amsterdam NY Evening Recorder (see attached)
28 December 1918
page 3
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There was a marriage registered in Islington Middlesex England for George Albert Hands to Mary Ann E Fairweather - September 1884 - 1b 510
Percy son of George Hands - born 20 December 1890
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-816R-CSD?i=1857&cc=1968530
1910 Main Street Broadalbin, Fulton, New York.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5CL-78J
Marriage of Percy Hands to Bertha L Cornell - 1 February 1913 Fulton New York. Parents - George Hands and mother Mary Fairweather.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFFH-1TH
1920 Hawk Street Gloversville Ward 1, Fulton, New York
Percy K Hands 29 Bertha L Hands 24
Elizabeth K Hands 3 Isabelle R Hands 1
1925 Gloversville Fulton New York
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSS7-VSP
1930 Percy with wife and children - Almond Street Gloversville, Fulton, New York.
Percy G Hands 39 Bertha B Hands 34
Elizabeth K Hands 13 Isabel R Hands 11
Claude Hands 9
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7Z6-2TC
1940 Johnstown, Fulton, New York.
Percy Hands 48
Donald Lippert 22 Isabell Lippert 21 Donald H Lippert 1
Claude Hands 18
Gerald Bellinger 29
Betty Bellinger 23
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQLJ-B6Z
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Percy G Hands - 1890 - 1963
Burial: Ferndale Cemetery Johnstown Fulton County New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=130463258
son Claude C Hands - 1920 - 2006
wife of Claude - Betty M. Chetwynd Hands 1920 - 2011
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=130463125
Sandra
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Elizabeth daughter of Percy G Hands and Bertha L Cornell - born 15 May 1916 Gloversville, New York passed away 13 February 1992 - Last Residence 12078 Gloversville, Fulton, New
Mar 1937: Name listed as ELIZABETH HANDS BELLINGER - Jan 1956: Name listed as ELIZABETH KATHERINE BELLINGER - Jul 1961 - Name listed as ELIZABETH BELLINGER RAUER - 22 Feb 1992: Name listed as ELIZABETH B RAUER
Married 2 July 1961
FIND A GRAVE
Burial - Ferndale Cemetery Johnstown Fulton County New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=130460009&ref=acom
husband - Robert H. Rauer 1920 - 1986
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=130459771
Sandra
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Isabella daughter of Percy and Bertha - married to Donald Lippert
Isabelle Rose Hands Lippert - 13 July 1918 passed away 3 June 2006 - aged 87 years.
Obit listed The Leader-Herald - Gloversville, New York.
Last Residence 12095 Johnstown, Fulton, New York.
Donald H Lippert II who was aged 1 year on the 1940 census - passed away 30 January 2013 -
Nathan Littauer Hospital. He was born 22 October, 1938, in Johnstown, N.Y - the son of Donald and Isabel Hands Lippert. He was a graduate of Johnstown High School..................
http://www.leaderherald.com/obituaries/2013/02/donald-h-lippert-ii/
Sandra
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Lillian Hands daughter of Percy and Bertha - married 1914 to Charles lemley - they appear on the 1920 Census - Hawk Street Gloversville Ward 1, Fulton, New York.
Mary Lemley 51
Mary Lemley 18
James Lemley 11
Charles Lemley 26 Lillian Lemley 26 George Lemley 5 Alberta Lemley 3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVS4-QC5
1930 Worden Road Glenville, Schenectady, New York.
Charles Lemley 36 Lillian Lemley 35
George E Lemley 15 Albert Lemley 14 Mary Lemley 62
James Lemley 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4TR-S1G
1940 Worden Road Glenville, Schenectady, New York.
Charles H Lemley 46 Lillian Lemley 46
George E Lemley 25 F Alberta Lemley 24
Mary M Lemley 72
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K31S-RZF
Lillian Lemley - 22 December 1893 - passed away March 1982 - Last Residence:
12302 Scotia, Schenectady, New York.
FIND A GRAVE
Lillian Lemley - Burial: Vale Cemetery Schenectady Schenectady County New York.
Plot: U 58b 1
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=167506448&ref=acom
Charles Lemley - 15 May 1956
Burial Vale Cemetery Schenectady Schenectady County New York.
Plot: U 58b -
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=lemley&GSiman=1&GScid=66580&GRid=167506445&
Sandra
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Wow! Firstly, thank you everyone for the time you have spent on this, I'm blown away by the amount of information you have found. It would seem that Selina and George married in America which at least answers why I could not find their marriage here. I'm wondering if she was previously married in the UK and travelled under a different surname with her first husband. I hadn't imagined that the search for James would uncover what seems to have been a very sad state of affairs. I'm not sure that I will ever discover what happened to him following his naturalization, unfortunately it isn't a rare name and there seem to have been a few with the same name who were close in age who travelled from the UK/Eire. :(
Thank you Sandra, RJ137, Shellyesq and Lisa in California.