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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Lydart on Wednesday 13 September 17 20:03 BST (UK)
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Trying to find out why an apparently healthy uncle wasn't called up to fight in WW2. He'd have been 28 ...
This is what it gives as his occupation ....
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Food can ... ...
Supervisor and engineering clerk
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I agree - it's that middle word that doesn't make any sense.
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Food can ... ...
Supervisor and engineering clerk
That's the easy bit ! How about the rest ??
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Looks like: albollral ;D ;D ;D
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Material Layout ???
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Was About to post 'Food bar material layout...' and Gadget seems to agree. With part of it anyway
Colin
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Have you got a b and a c to compare the letters with, Lydart
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Yes, I think you are right, I can see bar and Material now as there is an i in the word. What on earth is that though and how does it fit with engineering clerk?
The first letter of what could be bar isn't quite the same as the capital C of clerk.
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Doesn't really convince me but how about Ford Cars Material Layout?
Ray
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Food can material layout supervisor ... he who works out how to get the maximum number of cans from a roll of tinplate ... maybe :)
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Was there a canning industry at or near his location?
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I'm inclined to agree with the food can material etc, but would like to see if there was actually such a trade and if so, whether our chap could have been practising it wherever he was living at the time. Do we know where he was living?
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YES ! I've been crawling around in my loft to try and find old family papers .... I find that after the war he was working in the Metal Box Company (I think somewhere in west London) so IF he was working there before and during the war, then we are getting near to an explanation.
He may well have been making tin cans for soldiers baked beans ! Hence a reserved occupation.
Thank you for all the suggestions .... I think we have got there.
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Food production and preservation was very important during WW2 since we were heavily reliant on imported food, and the Atlantic convoys were a precarious method of getting food to the country and thence to the troops. So it does seem realistic that those who were working in the canning industry would be regarded as being in reserved occupations.
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and I found this online ......
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Metal_Box_Co
If you scroll down, you'll see that after 1935 it says they were making stuff for the war .... which could have included "many different types of food packing including 5000 million cans"
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You can download the 'Schedule of Reserved Occupations (Provisional)' 1939 at http://anguline.co.uk/Free/Reserved.pdf
Stan
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YES ! I've been crawling around in my loft to try and find old family papers ....
He may well have been making tin cans for soldiers baked beans !
making stuff for the war .... which could have included "many different types of food packing including 5000 million cans"
;D ;D I hope you don't have grazed knees Lydart & I'm sure your next tin of beans will taste so much better :P
I bought beans not too long ago & the tin was very thin & very flexible unlike a normal tin i.e. will soon be a thing of the past! ::)
Annie
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My father [originally a lathe operator/auto setter] was in a reserved occupation in the war; he travelled round factories converting various manufacturing machines to armaments. He mentioned working at The Metal Box Company.
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Could the first two words be 'Ford Cars'?
craggagh.
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Looks like the bottom line reads (Supervisor & Enquiry Clerk) Hope this helps in some way :)
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Food Cans Material layout
supervisor and engineering clerk
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This is what I think it says:
Supervisor -
Food ban allowance layouts
Supervisor and Engineering Clerk.
You have to know that there was rationing of food, clothing etc. during the war. I think the person involved was in a government administrative position in which he had to organise/set-up rationing - perhaps on a large scale.
They couldn't allow everyone to go to war - someone had to keep the ship afloat back home - and for that reason they were exempted from signing up. They were needed on the home front!
I know of the rationing because I remember my Mum (who got married during the war years) telling me that she only had so many ration coupons for her wedding outfit so chose a lovely suit rather than the traditional white dress.
I could be totally off the wall here - but that's what popped into my head when I saw it. I also remember learning to make my small b's in a similar manner as that in the ban when I was a child in school.
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It looks like Ford Car to me. Was he living in Dagenham?
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He lived in the Perivale/Greenford area of W. London.
I'm happy that this is now solved .... the planning of food cans seems the most logical.
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I can only make out supervisor on the top and engineer on the bottom line
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Heinz, Hayes Park, Hayes, UB4 8AL
a factory is still just up the road.
So for me it is Food Can . . . . . Ford Car, what was I thinking?
Ray
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We seem to be going around in circles.
Could I suggest the first page is re- read and reply #9 and other replies on 13th September ~
Food Can Material Layout supervisor and engineering clerk
;D ;D ;D
Also:
He lived in the Perivale/Greenford area of W. London.
I'm happy that this is now solved .... the planning of food cans seems the most logical.
Think it resurfaces because it comes up as a highlighted snip on the Forum page
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Food Cans Material layout
supervisor and engineering clerk
I worked in an engineering company in the 1950s when metals were still rationed and the government of the day would have to allocate what raw materials went to what rolling mill and which industry got the finished metals. As a supervisor, he would have had to have made regular records of quantities & weights of sheets received, used and discarded as scrap. All those records, along with similar ones on the Factory Shop Floor would have been collated and sent to somebody like me in the Office who filled in an official government form which would be sent off to the Ministry of Works.
One year, there was a bit of a flap at the heavy engineering company I worked for. We'd moved into new premises and when the figures were totted up at the end of the year there was a hefty tonnage of missing metal. Numbers were crunched again and it was deemed that scrappage tonnage sold didn't equate to what had been scrapped in the factory. It took a few days to realise that the scrap metal merchant hadn't been "light fingered", but that the scrap metal had been heaped on earth and the missing tonnage had sunk below ground level. ::)
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Trying to find out why an apparently healthy uncle wasn't called up to fight in WW2. He'd have been 28 ...
This is what it gives as his occupation ....Food Can ......... Layout supervisor and enquiry clerk
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I reckon that the missing word is "transport".
....................................transport supervisor and engineering clerk.
Not convinced about the first bit.
Bob
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Knowing he was in a reserved occupation and being jogged by Rena'a comment I have tried to join the (wide spaced!) dots.
How about the first word being foud, being taken as an abbreviation for foundry. To link that to material you get "raw". So I get:
"Foundry raw material transport supervisor and engineering clerk."
Are there foundrymen in the same area area and did metal box have a foundry or was it all sheet metal?
Bob
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But then again. From:
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Metal_Box_Co
WWII Made many things for war service including 140 million metal parts for respirators, 200 million items for precautions against gas attacks, 410 million machine gun belt clips, 1.5 million assembled units for anti-aircraft defence, mines, grenades, bomb tail fins, jerrican closures and water sterilisation kits, many different types of food packing including 5000 million cans, as well as operating agency factories for the government making gliders, production of fuses and repair of aero engines[4]
Metal Box was a big company so London may not have made these but Metal Box did make a lot of cans.
Bob
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Metal Box did make a lot of cans.
That's why most of us are satisfied with what the original poster has accepted as the correct transcription (given that the person in question worked for Metal Box) :)
Food Can Material Layout supervisor and engineering clerk
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But then again. From:
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Metal_Box_Co
WWII Made many things for war service including 140 million metal parts for respirators, 200 million items for precautions against gas attacks, 410 million machine gun belt clips, 1.5 million assembled units for anti-aircraft defence, mines, grenades, bomb tail fins, jerrican closures and water sterilisation kits, many different types of food packing including 5000 million cans, as well as operating agency factories for the government making gliders, production of fuses and repair of aero engines[4]
Metal Box was a big company so London may not have made these but Metal Box did make a lot of cans.
Bob
There was a Metal Box company in Hull, Yorkshire, where I was born
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It's not Food Can Material Layout, it's Food Can Allowance Targ__er (targeter?) and engineering clerk.
That would logically have been a restricted job as he probably worked on rationing for Ministry of Food. The engineering bit would have referred to tinning and manufacture as tin was in short supply.
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food ban
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I suggest writing to whatever the relevant British government department is. They will tell you for sure.
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We seem to be going around in circles.
Could I suggest the first page is re- read and reply #9 and other replies on 13th September ~
Food Can Material Layout supervisor and engineering clerk
;D ;D ;D
Also:
He lived in the Perivale/Greenford area of W. London.
I'm happy that this is now solved .... the planning of food cans seems the most logical.
Think it resurfaces because it comes up as a highlighted snip on the Forum page
Excellent suggestion from Gadget in November.
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Food 'Van'or 'Barn' Material Layout Supervisor and Engineering Clerk .........perhaps?
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Lydart, I only saw this thread after it was solved. May I suggest that you lock it now as any further suggestions will be redundant.
Carol
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Streached
Malky
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I'm happy that this is now solved ....
It's been solved - Lydart has marked it as completed - enough!
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Lydart, I only saw this thread after it was solved. May I suggest that you lock it now as any further suggestions will be redundant.
Carol
I don’t think that is possible, only a Mod can lock a thread. Perhaps Lydart needs to ask them to change the title to show it has been solved?
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Lydart's already added the 'green tick' to show it's completed :)
I thought the original poster could always lock their own thread though - they seem to do it on the ToT board :-\
Carol
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Yes, you can on the ToT boards but not on the others.
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Thanks Jan, I wasn't aware of that :)
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Lydart
A while ago you asked for help regarding an uncle's (?) occupation, recorded in 1939. Best guess was that he was a Food Can Material Layout Supervisor and Engineering Clerk. The troubling word is not "Material" but "Molinal". This is a rare word, and it means "of the mill". Derived from Latin, it exists more or less in the French word "moulin". Your relative was a "Food Can Molinal Layout Supervisor.
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Hello, Kevin. Welcome to RootsChat.
I see that you are trying to attract the attention of Lydart, regarding an old enquiry. Presumably you can't recall title of the thread on which the question was posted.
If that's the case, I reckon you have 3 options.
1. Hope Lydart has email alerts to this thread or returns to it regularly. (Neither is certain.)
2. Click on Lydart's profile then click on "Posts" to see if you can spot the thread. I've just done that. There are 800+ pages of posts, so it would be a long search.
3. Make 2 more posts, then you can use the private message facility to contact Lydart.
Can someone else say whether 2 more posts on this thread, which is an "Off Topic" board will count towards Kevin's total to enable him to use PM facility? :-\
The thread you've landed on has nothing to do with family history. See Reply #180 from Romilly at top of this page, in reply to David, another lost newcomer. You've wandered into the fictional village of Ambridge. The only families we talk about on here are the Archer family, their relatives, friends & neighbours.
If posts on here count towards your total, you could simply reply to my post to increase your tally.
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Thanks for the information.
I spotted Lydart's original thread. Lydart closed this topic a little while back, so I thought I'd try something current, even though not on topic. I'll give Lydart one more go.
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Maiden Stone and Kevin Jolly; posts on this board do not add to the "post count".
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Maiden Stone and Kevin Jolly; posts on this board do not add to the "post count".
Thanks for clarification.
So, Kevin, you'll need to contribute to a thread/threads on the main forum to increase your tally. Then you can PM Lydart.
Unless you want to stay in Ambridge and diss the characters and storylines
while waiting for Lydart to show up.
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Have sent Lydart a PM regarding Kevin Jolly's post.
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Thanks to all who have replied. Please let Maiden Stone know that I'm not interested in thread counts.
I live in Adelaide, South Australia, and I read French News every day because I have a PhD in French history and I like to stay in touch. I chanced upon an unrelated link (rootschat) in which Lydart was trying to decipher a strange word in her ancestor's job description. When Lydart finished her -whatever it is you call it- she was satisfied with an explanation - deciphering- that was clearly incorrect. I simply tried to help.
I'm not interested in your larger conversation. I just tried to help someone with a translation problem. Maiden Stone seems to have not appreciated what I was trying to do. I have no interest in whatever Maiden Stone is doing and Maiden Stone has certainly not inspired me to take an interest. Best wishes to all of you.
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Thanks to all who have replied. Please let Maiden Stone know that I'm not interested in thread counts.
I live in Adelaide, South Australia, and I read French News every day because I have a PhD in French history and I like to stay in touch. I chanced upon an unrelated link (rootschat) in which Lydart was trying to decipher a strange word in her ancestor's job description. When Lydart finished her -whatever it is you call it- she was satisfied with an explanation - deciphering- that was clearly incorrect. I simply tried to help.
I'm not interested in your larger conversation. I just tried to help someone with a translation problem. Maiden Stone seems to have not appreciated what I was trying to do. I have no interest in whatever Maiden Stone is doing and Maiden Stone has certainly not inspired me to take an interest. Best wishes to all of you.
You misunderstand Maiden Stone's attempt to help you make contact with Lydart. To be able to use the private message system, you need to have made at least three posts in a relevant forum. MS was letting you know that posts in this "Off Topic" forum don't count towards that total.
I will PM Lydart for you and let her know that you are trying to make contact.
Best wishes
Mike
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Have sent Lydart a PM regarding Kevin Jolly's post.
That's sensible. Why didn't I think of that? Because I'm not sensible? This is not the sensible board. ;D
Thank-you, Mike for explaining my attempts at explanation. :)
A couple of months ago I helped a newcomer by explaining how to use the personal message system. The person had made several posts trying to attract the attention of another poster, to no avail.
Moderator comment: topics merged.