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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: chloerog on Thursday 14 September 17 20:28 BST (UK)
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hello
Could anyone help me find the 1891 census for the following.
Head-Elizabeth Browning born 1854 -Dress Maker
son-Stephen Browning born 1875
son- Alfred Richard Browning born 1877
son-Henry John Browning born 1883
I have them 1881 living in Neville Road,West ham.
Head-Stephen Browning 1851-1890 - carpenter
wife-Elizabeth Browning 1854 -machinest
son-Stephen Browning 1875 -scholar
son- Alfred Browning 1877
Then again in 1901 i have them living in Swete Street, Plaistow. west ham
head-Alfred R Browning 1877 - greengrocer
wife-Carrie browning 1875
mother- Elizabeth browning 1854- Dressmaker
sister- Emily Elizabeth Browning 1892
brother- Henry Browning 1883- Hawker
I don't know where the other son/brother Stephen Browning was in 1901, but have him in 1911 -Queens Road, Upton Park working as a Dock Labourer
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If Stephen snr dies in 1890 and Emily Elizabeth was born in 1892, who is her father? Perhaps they are on the census in this other man's name
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If Stephen snr dies in 1890 and Emily Elizabeth was born in 1892, who is her father? Perhaps they are on the census in this other man's name
I ordered Emily's birth certificate and unfortunately there is no father on it, so I'm lost at where else to look.
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Looked up a couple of the births and maiden name of mother is Faulkner, have you got a marriage between Faulkner and Browning ?
What about a baptism in Essex area,
Louisa Maud
No sorry that won't help
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Looked up a couple of the births and maiden name of mother is Faulkner, have you got a marriage between Faulkner and Browning ?
What about a baptism in Essex area,
Louisa Maud
No sorry that won't help
Yeah I have marriage info for Elizabeth and Stephen. They got married on the 27th June 1875 in St John hoxton, Hackney.
Alfred R Browning was Baptised- Sep 23rd 1877 St Matthias Stoke Newington.
Henry John Browning was Baptised- October 3rd 1883 St John the Baptist Hoxton, Middlesex.
No Baptism record for Stephen Browning ( b:1875)
no baptism for Emily Elizabeth Browning (b-1892)
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Do you have Stephen's death certificate in 1890? If so, does the address tally with any of the later address' of the family?
Also, it looks like Stephen and Elizabeth may have had another child, William Louis, who died later in 1890. I don't suppose you have his death certificate do you?
GRO BMD references:
1890 Q3 Death - Stephen Browning; age 38 (b1852); West Ham; 04a; 110
1889 Q2 Birth - William Louis Browning (mmn: Faulkner); West Ham; 04a; 128
1890 Q4 Death - William Lewis Browning; age 20m* (b1889); West Ham; 04a; 110
* Probably months; GRO index has age 20, FreeBMD has age 1
Also, in case you don't have it...
Marriage:
All Saints, West Ham
18 Jul 1897
Alfred Richard Browning; 19; bach; green grocer; 14 Pelly Rd; f: Stephen Browning (dec); carpenter
Carrie Palmer; 22; spin; 109 Vicarage Lane; f: George Palmer (dec); boiler maker
wit: E Fuller[?], E Bradford[?]; banns
I couldn't see any of the Browning's at Pelly Road in 1891.
I had a look through the baptisms at West Ham and couldn't see any for the Browning's in the late 1880s or early 1890s.
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Do you have Stephen's death certificate in 1890? If so, does the address tally with any of the later address' of the family?
Also, it looks like Stephen and Elizabeth may have had another child, William Louis, who died later in 1890. I don't suppose you have his death certificate do you?
GRO BMD references:
1890 Q3 Death - Stephen Browning; age 38 (b1852); West Ham; 04a; 110
1889 Q2 Birth - William Louis Browning (mmn: Faulkner); West Ham; 04a; 128
1890 Q4 Death - William Lewis Browning; age 20m* (b1889); West Ham; 04a; 110
* Probably months; GRO index has age 20, FreeBMD has age 1
Also, in case you don't have it...
Marriage:
All Saints, West Ham
18 Jul 1897
Alfred Richard Browning; 19; bach; green grocer; 14 Pelly Rd; f: Stephen Browning (dec); carpenter
Carrie Palmer; 22; spin; 109 Vicarage Lane; f: George Palmer (dec); boiler maker
wit: E Fuller[?], E Bradford[?]; banns
I couldn't see any of the Browning's at Pelly Road in 1891.
I had a look through the baptisms at West Ham and couldn't see any for the Browning's in the late 1880s or early 1890s.
Stephen Browning died in Leyton Union work House, but they lived in 4 nut tree grove Plaistow.
I haven't got round to ordering Williams birth or death yet but gonna guess it would also say nut tree grove.
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My only guess is that this family was missed from the 1891 or she is under another name, I would have thought that a certificate might reveal a suitable address
Louisa Maud
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I did some searches in West Ham just using forenames and still couldn't any of them in 1891; they all seem to go walkabout.
The Nut Tree Grove address is a bit curious. I couldn't locate it on any map but following the enumerator's path in 1881 you get an idea of where it is and it puts the family in a similar location to later census'. The street seems to have disappeared by 1891, as I couldn't find it in any census record. Maps seem to show a lot of development around Plaistow around this time. However, I did find a 1892 newspaper reference to someone (unrelated) living at Nut Tree Grove.
Could it be possible the street still existed in 1891 and the family were still living there but for some reason the whole street was missed by enumerators? It seems unlikely.
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What was the address shown on Emily Elizabeth's 1892 birth cert (and when in the year was she born)?
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Chloe has another thread for Emily, in which she says the address was Queen's Road, Plaistow.
The family seem to have lived a various houses on Queens Road over the years.
Thread: Emily Elizabeth Browning
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778735.msg6327207
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I am inclined to agree with you cuffie, I have looked and thought perhaps it was near The Grove, did trawl through one set but couldn't find it, I do wonder if it was missed off if it was a small place, Nut Tree Grove somehow sounds quite small to me but I don't really know. I found the address on 1881 but not after
Think I am going to have to take a rest from this for a while as I am getting nowhere
Louisa Maud
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Just for reference, links to the maps I've been looking at...
Plaistow 1863 - 1867
http://maps.nls.uk/view/103313009#zoom=5&lat=5257&lon=5861&layers=BT
Plaistow 1893 - 1894
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101919789#zoom=5&lat=5627&lon=5773&layers=BT
The earlier map shows quite a few woods/orchards (?), so possible Nut Tree Grove was connected to one of these.