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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Westy11 on Sunday 17 September 17 04:50 BST (UK)
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Pulling 'bits' together I am hoping to discover my 3rd great grandparents.
My great x 2 grandfather 'turned up' in Queensland Australia sometime before 1865. I located an Immigration & Emigration Record for him that said he had applied at Baden-Württemberg, Germany to emigrate Apr 1857. This record gives his date of birth 03 May 1837 at [i think] Oehringen, Langensall, Stuttgart.
I am unable to locate his entry to Australia however a newspaper article of of an unclaimed letter at Rockhampton 1865 indicates he was in Queensland at that time.
I do not have access to an German records and hoping that some kind person may be able to find him/his family in perhaps Württemberg, Germany, Family Tables, 1550-1985 or any other record.
His death record noted his father was Johann Peter SCHUHKRAFT [although anglicised] and his mother as Mary STEENER but who is to know how accurate is that information? He went by the name of George and one of his sons was called Peter and one Mary so it is possible the children were named after his parents.
Westy
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Hi Westy
Hope all is well.
I took a look on Ancestry in the "Württemberg, Germany, Family Tables, 1550-1985" records and found nothing for Johann George that could be yours. There are though many SCHUHKRAFT surnames amongst them, even a couple Johann George records but seem to be of another family.
Ian
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Hello Ian,
Thats a bummer. I wonder if the actual Württemberg Immigration Index contains more than what is transcribed to the record I located?
It was a 'shot in the dark' I suppose.
Thanks once again for your advice Ian. :)
Westy
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I wonder if this is any relation ??
http://gw.geneanet.org/rummler7?n=schuhkraft&oc=&p=gotfried
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There is a similar record on Ancestry.
Here is a Johann George with parents (although 3 years earlier):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCX3-W4D
also
a Johann Peter Shuhkraft, born Langensall, marriage. Same parents as Johann above (could be something):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VCBB-T3G
Ian
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Hello Ian & garstonite,
I just don't know. Im at a loss..... :-\
Westy
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Hallo Westy
There is a Tree on Ancestry that has
George (Johann Georg) Schuhkraft/Shoecraft
1837–1902 (3.5.1937) at Langensall (Öhringen is the district town)
His father is given as Johann Peter Schuhkraft born 1801 and his wife Eva Maria (Mary) Rübmann (Stenner) born 1805.
George died
George Shoecraft
Sterbedatum 16 Jun 1902 death date
Sterbeort Queensland place of death
Vater Peter Shoecraft father
Mutter Mary Stenner mother
Jahr der Registrierung 1902 date of registration
Registrierungsort Queensland place of registration
Registrierungsnummer 001180 registration number
Seitennummer 23853 page number
The owner of the Tree has been researching for 40+ years.
What do you think?
Regards
Gill
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Hello Gill,
It sounds interesting. I am assuming the death for George is his Queensland death but his death certificate did not carry his mothers name of Rübmann.
Im not sure how to read the mothers name or what it is really saying especially as I thought her maiden name was Stenner. Perhaps this is something to do with naming protocols in Germany??
Westy
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Hi Westy
Looks like Mary was married before . Rübmanns and Stenners are still living in Öhringen.
Regards Peonie
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Thanks so much Peonie.
To be 100% clear is it appropriate to say that Eva Maria (Mary) Rübmann nee Stenner married secondly Johann Peter Schuhkraft?
Thats just fantastic news that there are still Rübmanns and Stenners living in Öhringen.
A PM is on its way.
Regards,
Westy
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A query.
Swissgirl noted from an ancestry record that George's father is given as Johann Peter Schuhkraft born 1801 and his wife Eva Maria (Mary) Rübmann (Stenner) born 1805.
We then suggested that the 2 surnames for Eva Maria indicated her maiden name was Steener and that her marriage to George's father Peter was her second marriage give the surname of Ruebmann.
However the Familysearch record kindly supplied by Ian at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VCBB-T3G gives Eva Maria's parents as:
Spouse's Father's Name Johann Georg Ruebmann
Spouse's Mother's Name Eva Rosina Magdalena Schmidt
Is it a coincidence that Eva Maria's father is a Ruebmann and she happened to marry a Ruebmann meaning her first marriage she did not in effect change her surname?
Or are there issues with the ancestry tree Swissgirl located?
Westy
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Here is a Johann George with parents (although 3 years earlier):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCX3-W4D
Hi Westy
Just noticed that this is a death record. I admit that I missed this first time round (don't know how though). So your Johann George could be another son to them with the same name.
Ian
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Hi Westy
I have sent you a PM.
Ian