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John Mills married Mary Ann Bettany in 1877 in Cheadle( my great grandparents.It gives them as being widow & widower in 1881 census, but I cannot find a first marriage for John.I have a John Mills & Elizabeth Mills (Thorley) born 1835 living with their children George 3yrs & John 2yrs in the 1861 census, but no marriage.The closest marriage of Elizabeth Thorley is to John Taylor 24th Aug.1856,& when I look for further information of that marriage I am given the name John Mills to follow!!
In the 1881 census John is given as being born in Hanley c.1832 father George but I do not know the mothers name, though it is possibly Mary.
Any help would be most appreciated as I have been stuck with this for ages.
Many Thanks, John
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The marriage image for Elizabeth Thorley's marriage in 1856 is to John Taylor - father unknown. John is 20 and Elizabeth is 21. Both are single.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
I'm a little confused, you say "It gives them as being widow & widower in 1881 census, but I cannot find a first marriage for John." If they are married to each other why is it giving that status in the census? Can you give the reference for that census please.
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Welcome!
If you look at the GRO register George Mills is actually registered as George Taylor 1858 Cheadle MMN Thorley
So either John changed his name to Mills or she left her previous husband and was living with John
Willow x
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groom: the 1877 marriage entry for John and Mary Ann, give their status as Widower and Widow ;)
john: I'm wondering where you have found the surname of Thorley for Elizabeth. I cannot see a birth registration for George or John with a mother's maiden name of Thorley in the GRO search, 1857-1860. This doesn't signify too much as birth registrations were not compulsory until later.
Added: apologies Willow 4873 - I've only just spotted that you had found George (only a few hours later :-[ )
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A tree on ancestry has her maiden name as Wood ( parents Thomas James Wood and Marianne Walton ) and this first marriage
Marriage
April 1863 • Cheadle, Staffordshire
Elisha Bettany (1841–1871)
It gives her DOB as SEP 1840 • South Shields, does that fit with information from later censuses?
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Elisha Bettany born 1841 died 18 May 1871 Ipstones, Staffordshire.
Unfortunately they don't have a first marriage for John.
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John William Mills registered 1859 Cheadle MMN Thorley
Willow x
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1861 - RG9 1951 folio 82 page 3 - Kingsley
Elizabeth Thorley, widow - 54
George - 30 - son - born Dilhorn
Sampson - 18 - son - born Dlhorn
James - 16 - son - born Dilhorn
Two boarders
Within the same address, but a separate household
John Mills - 26 - Ironstone miner - born Dilhorn
Elizabeth - 25 - born Dilhorn
George - 3 - born Kingsley
John - 1 - born Kingsley
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I think John Mills is also John Taylor
1851 census all born Dilhorne
Boundary Dillhorne
William Thorley 73 head M ag lab
Elizabeth Thorley 70 wife M
Thomas Thorley 34 son W coal minder
Enoch Thorley 31 S grandson
Lewis Thorley 7 S grandson
Sharlotta Mills 44 W daughter
Thomas Adams 14 S grandson coal miner
George Adams 12 S grandson coal miner
William Adams 9 S grandson
Alfred Adams 1 S grandson
Elizabeth Taylor 18 S lodger
John Taylor 16 S lodger
HO107/2009/338/18
Willow x