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Title: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 16:30 BST (UK)
I have a Gertrude Mansell born 1887 Aston.

I have a marriage at Middleton 22/7/1912 Gertrude Ellen Mansell to Henry John Robert Garrod (his father same name)

Gertrude's father given as William and a witness Louisa Mansell(she does have a sister Louisa.

I cannot find either after the marriage. What happened to them.

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 20 September 17 16:40 BST (UK)
I can't see another Garrod/Mansell marriage that would fit with these births could they be yours  :-\

Births Jun 1913   
Garrod    Henry C    mmn Mansell   
Tamworth    6b   888

Births Dec 1914   
GARROD    Stanley W A    mmn Mansell   
Holborn    1b   1060

Births Dec 1916   
Garrod    Ellen F W    mmn Mansell   
Birmingham    6d   261

more Birmingham births on freebmd to 1923
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 20 September 17 16:45 BST (UK)
Same area

Deaths Dec qtr 1923 
Henry J Garrod   age  39   
Birmingham    6d   211
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: cath151 on Wednesday 20 September 17 16:51 BST (UK)
Electoral registers
1922 7 Court 6 Albert terrace, Ladywood.
1922 and 23
Ellen Gertrude Garrad
Henry John Robert Garrad
1925
Same address but only Ellen Gertrude Garrad.

Cathy
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 16:53 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie.

Henry was 25 when he married in 1912 so I suppose it could be hima few years different.

I did make a note of Henry Cecil 1913  and Ellen Frances Winifred 1916 that I thought could be but the Holborn one I'm not sure.

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 20 September 17 16:59 BST (UK)
The Holborn one died in Birmingham  ;D

Stanley William A Garrod
Death Age   80
Birth Date   2 Nov 1914
Death Registration   Jan qtr 1995
Reg district Birmingham
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 17:00 BST (UK)
There is a Probate Gertrude Ellen Garrod of 20, Merton Way, Yarnton, Oxon.

widow died 31/12/1957

I did a while ago make a note of Died 1957 aged 79. Death Reg. March qtr 1958 Ploughley 6b 1207.

The age of that was wrong.

then I had another note 1951 & 1955 electoral register 19, Conigar Rd, Fulham.
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 17:04 BST (UK)
The Probate one she left her money to Basil Pearson Garrod(local goverment officer) I looked his birth up 1909 mmn Dent.
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 20 September 17 17:05 BST (UK)
Electoral registers
1922 7 Court 6 Albert terrace, Ladywood.
1922 and 23
Ellen Gertrude Garrad
Henry John Robert Garrad
1925
Same address but only Ellen Gertrude Garrad.

Cathy

Marriages Dec qtr 1929   
Ellen G Garrod   spouse  George H Williams   
Birmingham N.    6d   1132   
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 17:10 BST (UK)
That looks promising. I tried to find her in the 1939 under Garrod but I might find her tomorrow under Williams. I will have a look. The thing I don't get is when her birth was reg. it was just Gertrude no sign of Ellen. Now she as dumped the Gertrude and is calling herself Ellen.

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 20 September 17 17:22 BST (UK)
Maybe she did not like to be called Gertrude /Gert /Gertie and preferred Ellen.  She still retained Gertrude as her middle name
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 17:57 BST (UK)
Marriages Dec qtr 1929   
Ellen G Garrod   spouse  George H Williams   
Birmingham N.    6d   1132   

Might these be the same couple as above

Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955

George Henry Williams
Ellen Gertrude Williams
Year:   1935
Street address:   18 Gregory Avenue the page actually reads 18 Oxley Grove
Residence Place:   Birmingham

George H Williams
Ellen G Williams
Year:   1945 Ward or Division/Constituency:   Kings Norton
Street address:   18 QUARRY ROAD page reads 18 Oxley Grove
Residence Place:   Birmingham

George H Williams
Ellen G Williams
Year:   1950 Ward or Division/Constituency:   Northfield
Street address:   18 PERTON GROVE page reads 18 Oxley Grove
Residence Place:   Birmingham


Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 18:04 BST (UK)
Hello Lady  :)

Still waiting for that cert.

I will look up their DOB tomorrow on the 1939 and also the Garrod children should help to find out if Gertrude or Ellen is mine  she was baptised 15/1/1888.

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 18:18 BST (UK)
Still waiting for that cert.

I will look up their DOB tomorrow on the 1939 and also the Garrod children should help to find out if Gertrude or Ellen is mine  she was baptised 15/1/1888.

Just in case she turns out to be your Gertrude - there's this death entry to bear in mind which might be the one living 18 Oxley Grove Birmingham

Mar 1950 Birmingham   9c   615
WILLIAMS   Ellen G age 62 (born c1888)



Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 20 September 17 18:58 BST (UK)
Would look for them at the address LadyHawke has given, Garrod children are Sarrod mistranscribed.
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:06 BST (UK)
Okay Thanks for that.

I have been trying to find a birth for Henry John Robert Garrod somewhere in England but haven't found one yet he said he was 25 in 1912. I have searched from 1880 to 1888 must be spelt wrong somewhere I was after his mother's maiden name. Even his father had the same name cant find him either.

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:25 BST (UK)
There are these entries similar names

GARROD, HENRY  JOHN  mmn PATTISON    
1889  S Quarter in CAMBERWELL  Volume 01D  Page 864   

and this marriage entry
Dec 1883 Camberwell
John Robert Garrod
Female name on same page
Florence Annie Pattison

What was his father's occupation on the 1912 m/c?


Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:30 BST (UK)
Father was a sign writer. Son a tailor

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:31 BST (UK)
Ok could this be a brother of Henry

William Alfred Garrod 21 28 London Street father John Robert Garrod
Married 1905 his father’s occupation sign writer
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:35 BST (UK)
From GRO indexes

GARROD, WILLIAM  ALFRED mmn   PATTISON     
1884  D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 45

Wm Alf Garrod Age:   8
Birth Date:   5 Dec 1884
Admission Date:   5 Jun 1893
School:   Peckham Park School
Admission Place:   Southwark, London, England
Father:   John Robert Garrod, 96 Hill Street
Notes:   Peckham Park School (0352) opened in 1876
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:38 BST (UK)
Ah you beat me to it. Eating my dinner working one handed thank you.

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:43 BST (UK)
Laura Gertrude Garrod age 20 married 25th Dec 1909
Father John Robert Garrod occ sign writer

GARROD, LAURA  GERTRUDE mmn   PATTISON     
1891  S Quarter in CAMBERWELL  Volume 01D  Page 852

I will leave you to continue searching -  enjoy your tea  :)   

Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:59 BST (UK)
Before I go it appears that Florence and John are not on the same census - here are the
reference so you can take a look

Florence A 38  Bermondsey,  with 4 children
1901 RG13; Piece: 514; Folio: 18; Page: 23

John 44 Leytonstone Essex , sign writer, son Henry 11 Peckham London plus 3 other children
1901 RG13; Piece: 528; Folio: 139; Page: 42


Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 19:59 BST (UK)
Well he lied about his age.

Henry John Garrod birth reg. Sept qtr 1889 Camberwell mmn Pattison

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 20:01 BST (UK)
Will do  :). thanks

Alan
Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 20 September 17 20:45 BST (UK)
Just wanted to finish off with these - hopefully you have access to view all details yourself I'm sure it will keep you busy  :)

1911 Florence still on her own with children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRS-LPK

It looks as if Henry's father John Robert may have been previously married or it could just be a coincidence same occupation age, etc.....

1881 John R Garrod occ Writer & Grainer (Painter)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-DTTD

GARROD, ALICE  MAUD MARY mmn   PRESTON     
1878  D Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK  Volume 01D  Page 239   

Alice married 2nd Dec 1902 father John Robert occ sign writer
Remarried Alice Maude Mary Saunders 12 Sep 1920 father John Robert

26 Nov 1877 St Paul, Deptford
John Garrod 22 decorator father John Robert Garrod same ocupation
Jane Preston 20 father Richard


Title: Re: Henry John Robert Garrod
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 20 September 17 20:53 BST (UK)
Yes thank you I do have access to all that info tomorrow and now its not summer I need something to do. Your great
Alan