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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: dee king on Saturday 23 September 17 04:07 BST (UK)
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looking for a
mary jeffery married frederick henry batterson kempsey nsw australia
fatehr thomas jeffery, mother sophia wood cock
sometimes used molly or polly for names
frederick henry and mary or molly, polly married poosibly 1876 aged 16 yrs for mary at wesleyan church macleay river nsw
cannot find a death date for mary any where nor was she mentioned in fredericks funera notice
did they split up, did they divorce,
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If she was Polly then she was alive and with him in 1904, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113294529
I think the article may be about their son Frederick Augustus, as he is buried at Manly cemetery, Sydney
Batterson Eliza Mrs S.410 20-10-1931 60 MD38
Batterson Frederick Augustus S.410 17-11-1952 71 MD38
Eliza's name is actually ESTHER on NSWBDM for her marriage and death.
It is his wife - before marriage - who was slandered by him and received the apology.
Jamjar
Added the death notice for Frederick Snr , 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article179801887
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thank you for info much appreciated
it is where mary, polly or molly ended up did she die before her husband or after
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I can't find any reference to her, I did find her mother's remarriage though. ;)
I think you can discount Polly, unless his mother was still alive.
Jamjar
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sometimes used molly or polly for names
Could you show where Mary used these names, please?
I can see instances where her married children have them on death registrations on NSWBM - so not provided by Mary I'm sure - but cannot see where Mary has been referred to either name while living. Except where a Polly is mentioned as a witness in paper apology, but no proof that it's Mary.
Also, can you show her birth registration. I can only see Hannah, who married Frederick's brother with parents Thomas and Sophia at birth. An online tree suggests that Mary and Hannah may have been cousins.
Jamjar
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If this is Sophia's death cert it could possibly indicate the name of her children.
I don't recall if it also shows whether living or deceased.
9870/1908 MCGEARY Sophia JOHN HANNAH KEMPSEY
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sometimes used molly or polly for names
Could you show where Mary used these names, please?
I can see instances where her married children have them on death registrations on NSWBM - so not provided by Mary I'm sure - but cannot see where Mary has been referred to either name while living. Except where a Polly is mentioned as a witness in paper apology, but no proof that it's Mary.
Also, can you show her birth registration. I can only see Hannah, who married Frederick's brother with parents Thomas and Sophia at birth. An online tree suggests that Mary and Hannah may have been cousins.
Jamjar
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JEFFERYS (sic) Mary
8670/1861
Parents Thomas & Sophia
At MACLEAY RIVER
When Sophia registered the birthEDIT death of a child named Sarah in 1868 she used all 3 possibilities for surname which helps to confirm her maiden name.
JEFFERY Sarah
11185/1868
Sophia
Father-
MACLEAY RIVER
MACGEAREY Sarah
11185/1868
Sophia
Father-
At MACLEAY RIVER
WOODCOCK Sarah
11185/1868
Mother Sophia
Father -
At MACLEAY RIVER
Birth
JEFFERY Sarah
11185/1868
Mother Sophia
Father-
MACLEAY RIVER
Sue
EDITS to correct error
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If this is Sophia's death cert it could possibly indicate the name of her children.
I don't recall if it also shows whether living or deceased.
9870/1908 MCGEARY Sophia JOHN HANNAH KEMPSEY
If the informant on the Death Certificate was the same person who wrote this Obituary for the paper, then I feel it very likely the children of Sophia will be listed correctly.
These 2 obituaries make very interesting reading.
This for Sophia McGEARY
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174464220
It makes it very clear what her legal name was at death and how many children of her 2 marriages.
This for Owen MCGEARY
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/214769594
Those writing his obituary make no mention of Sophia, but offer a very helpful timeline of his life. Quite likely the dates are not entirely accurate.
Totally speculative but...
I think during the time his Irish wife Bridget was not yet in Australia, he married Sophia. (1863)
When the wife arrived, she was cast out.
Of course it is possible there was more than one chap named Owen McGEARY and Sophia's husband was not this man
Anyhow it's not really helping with the main point of our inquiry. ::)
What became of Mary BATTERSON after the birth of her listed children?
Sue
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any little bit of info al helps
mainly looking for a death for mary jeffery, donot know why she used polly or molly at times,
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Just adding by way of confirmation on the dates of the little mystery above.
Arrival in NSW of Owen.
MCGEARY, Owen .
Aged 28. Ship Ocean Empress. Born Ireland
Arrived 26th September 1862.
Arrival of Bridget
McGARRY (sic) Bridget
McGARRY, Mary A. aged 8 months
Aged 22.
Ship John Temperley
Arrived 1st August 1863
RC. Cannot read or write. Father John COADY, Mother Ann
Husband Owen McGEARY at McLeay River.
Owen paid 6 pounds for their immigration.
Sue
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any little bit of info al helps
mainly looking for a death for mary jeffery, donot know why she used polly or molly at times,
Yes, we know that is what you are looking for.
Read the given information for helpful ways to find the answer to your question.
Read also that you have no evidence she did use the names Polly or Molly.
Tell us where you see that.
Sue
ADDING this helpful quote
If this is Sophia's death cert it could possibly indicate the name of her children.
I don't recall if it also shows whether living or deceased.
9870/1908 MCGEARY Sophia JOHN HANNAH KEMPSEY
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Named Polly on the son's death record.
BATTERSON Frederick Augustus
28079/1952 PARRAMATTA
Parents FREDERICK & POLLY
Essie
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Named Polly on the son's death record.
BATTERSON Frederick Augustus
28079/1952 PARRAMATTA
Parents FREDERICK & POLLY
Essie
Thank you Essie.
Don't know how I didn't see that ::) ;)
Sue
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Yes, Essie, but Frederick died in 1952, so I doubt Mary was the informant for the death record. It doesn't mean that Mary called herself Polly.
Even in the newspaper apology it could have been Frederick just using Polly to represent her as witness.
My father had pet names for his mother that I never heard any other family members use.
Purchasing a transcript of his marriage cert may be useful.
Jamjar
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It seems Dee is basing her assumption that Mary used the names Polly and Molly on the registrations of deaths of her children. These children were all married so unlikely that Mary was the informant. It's is more likely the spouses of the children. I certainly doubt that Mary was alive in 1965. ;)
14150/1916 BRIEN Ellen E FREDERICK MARY PARRAMATTA
22247/1965 CHEERS Hannah FREDERICK and MOLLY KEMPSEY
Jamjar
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I assume Mary's family would have known if Mary had a 'pet' name? Sometimes an informant - be it spouse or grandchildren - don't necessarily know or ever heard the registered name of the deceased.
Essie
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well i guess i will never know what happened to mary jeffery, molly or polly,
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well i guess i will never know what happened to mary jeffery, molly or polly,
Try contacting the council - ksc@kempsey.nsw.gov.au - to see who holds the Frederickton Cemetery register. She may be buried there.
Also, ask them to check West Kempsey Cemetery where her husband is buried.
Jamjar
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that is a thought for kempsey