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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Dannemois on Saturday 23 September 17 14:40 BST (UK)
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Hi
James McLaughlin was born 1895 in Greenock, Renfrewshire. He served as gunner with RFA in WW1 and returned to Greenock where in later years I am led to believe he was a member of parliament. The only other fact known is he married a Mabel? Can someone please help with information.
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Have you looked for his marriage and death on Scotlands People? Index is free to search
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records
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Did James have children as the mother's name & m/s will be on their births?
When you say "The only other fact known is he married a Mabel?" can you give us any info. as to this being fact please?
The reason I ask is I don't see a marriage for both those names in the time frame I would expect i.e do you know how late in life they married?
Annie
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You say you are led to believe he was an MP. Where did that info come from?
What is your connection to this person?
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Hi Carole
Yes, I have looked for a marriage etc but could not find anything. The information is from his daughter Patricia McLaughlin who sadly passed away in 2009. I am helping Pat's daughter to search the family's history. I appreciate that oral family history is not the best source but at this moment in time that is all I have to go on.
Regards
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Do you know Patricia's approx year and place of birth.
I looked for info yesterday and found a marriage to a Mabel in 1935 in ?Barnet but none in Scotland. It seemed a bit late but still possible. Nothing on the MP front.
Gadget
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Just checked my notes. Here it is, if it's of use:
James McLaughlin and Mabel L Cole
Barnet
Q1 1935 3A 909
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Hi there :)
It might be best if Pat's daughter started by ordering her mother's birth cert.
Did Pat die in Aberdeen? There is death with the year you mentioned:
Patricia McKenzie McLaughlan, aged 87. Death in Aberdeen, 2009.
It is the only one I can see with a surname close to McLaughlin (using wild cards). There is a corresponding birth for her in Aberdeen which makes me think it is not the same Patricia if the family you are looking at was based around Greenock :-\
I can't see a marriage that would fit in Scotland. Maybe England? A few show there.
Monica
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As you have James "born 1895 in Greenock, Renfrewshire" & returning there it is possible to check the FREE Index using +/- 2 yrs for a death in that area & if not then expand to surrounding areas?
I don't envy that task with all the variants for that surname ;D
Annie
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If that is Pat's death in 2009 hasn't her daughter got a copy of her mothers death cert showing the names of Pat's parents and in particular - her mothers maiden name
Also - if Pat was born 1922 then her parents marriage was before that date
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Flagging possible birth reg if your friend's mother was born Greenock
Greenock East 1921 Patricia McLaughlin
Greenock West 1924 Patricia Murray McLaughlin
Greenock West 1925 Patricia Louisa McLaughlin
She might well have married and died outwith Scotland so we really need more info.
The person that Monica found was also born Aberdeen.
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You don't say whether you have James before his WW1 record, so here are some to be going on with ~
Birth Registration in Greenock for James circa 1895
1894
Greenock East
James McLachlan
Greenock West
James McLachlan
James McDonald Mclaughlin
1895
Greenock West
James Michael McLachlan
There are 4 James Mclaughlin/McLachlan on the 1901 in Greenock that would fit these. Another born circa 1893.
Gadget
PS - I used M*L*N for the searches ;D
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Hi all
Here is an update of what I have been able to find out. Gwynfryn (Gwyn) Owen Griffiths joined the RN in 1939 aged 18. Stationed at Clyde, he met Patricia Louise McLaughlin in 1942 at a dance in Greenock Town. Post war, c1946 they married in Glasgow registry office and briefly lived in north Devon before moving back to Brithdir, Glamorgan in 1959. They celebrated 60 years anniversary in 2006 Gwyn and Pat both passed away in 2009.
Hope that helps
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So have you looked for a marriage on Scotlands People for Gwyn and Patricia to determine her parents names - particularly her mothers name and maiden name?
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Birth entry for a Patricia Louisa McLaughlin born 1925 in Greenock West Ref 564/2 576, as mentioned by Gadget earlier.
Monica
Added: Marriage in 1946, Blythswood Glasgow - ref 644/8 671
Patricia Louisa MCLAUGHLIN and Gwynfryn Owen Griffiths
Both certs would need to be ordered as they are outside the period you can view online.
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A possible sister for Patricia? All events in Greenock:
1930 - birth of a Mabel McLaughlin
1952 - marriage of a Mabel McLaughlin to a Thomas McGinty Gavin
1987 - death of a 56yr old Mabel McLaughlin/Gavin
Monica
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Public tree giving James's parents as George McLaughlin (1867- ?) and Janet McDonald (1869-1951). You'll have to check this out to be sure it's correct. Maybe you could check the 1901 and 1911 census for the family :)
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...a little more for me until you guys confirm through certs for Patricia.
I don't think her mother was called Mabel. Maybe the name was for a sister as showing above? Mabel's death has her with a mother's maiden name of Drysdale.
A Margaret Don Drysdale/McLaughlin died in Greenock in 1972, aged 75.
I also have a question mark as to whether Patricia's father was James...could be a John.
A John McLaughlin married a Margaret Don Drysdale in Greenock in 1924. This cert can be viewed online...but if you I would suggest to the person you are helping, that the best place to start is from her mother's registrations.
Monica
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Keep this one in mind...she looks like a Scottish grannie ::) www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/32620097
Monica
Added: If you have access to family trees on a/try, there is this one for the family (no mention of Patricia though on there :-\) www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/17361911/person/773059537/facts
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Looking good, Monica :) I'm sure I found a Drysdale in one of my searches too.
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We are pretty stuck now though, aren't we Gadget. Hopefully when your friend confirms Patricia's details further, we can move forward a little more.
As Gadget mentioned earlier, nothing really showng for a McLaughlin as MP, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenock_(UK_Parliament_constituency) He could have been a Council Councillor or have held a similar post?
Monica
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Thanks to all; I will contact the granddaughter and see what else I can learn.
Once again. Many many thanks, very much appreciated.
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Hi my great grandfather was a James McLaughlin but born in 1896 in Salford but grew up in Greenock, he was a gunner in ww1 and married to a Mabel mclaughlin in 1918. He was a mp in Greenock during during 20s/30s. The John mentioned in the last comment was his brother.
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I also had/have family that lived in brithdir
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Hello McLaughlin
Do you mean the Griffiths family in Brithdir?
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Not sure about that name but Jones & bill filmer lived in James street
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The Margaret mentioned in previous posts was married to his brother John
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Hi
What era are you talking about, Jones is a popular name in Wales so if you can expand with more details I can look for you. Bill Filmer is not a name I recognise is the surname correct?
Roy
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Hi my great grandfather was a James McLaughlin but born in 1896 in Salford but grew up in Greenock, he was a gunner in ww1 and married to a Mabel mclaughlin in 1918.
Do you mean that he married a Mabel whose maiden surname was McLaughlin, or that he married a Mabel something-else?
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Hi my great grandfather was a James McLaughlin but born in 1896 in Salford but grew up in Greenock, he was a gunner in ww1 and married to a Mabel mclaughlin in 1918.
Do you mean that he married a Mabel whose maiden surname was McLaughlin, or that he married a Mabel something-else?
no sorry her maiden was Matthew
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Hi all
Here is an update of what I have been able to find out. Gwynfryn (Gwyn) Owen Griffiths joined the RN in 1939 aged 18. Stationed at Clyde, he met Patricia Louise McLaughlin in 1942 at a dance in Greenock Town. Post war, c19i46 they married in Glasgow registry office and briefly lived in north Devon before moving back to Brithdir, Glamorgan in 1959. They celebrated 60 years anniversary in 2006 Gwyn and Pat both passed away in 2009.
Hope that helps
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I had a feeling this was my great grandfather now I know from the the 1st world war site it’s the same person feel free to ask any questions
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she was my grandfathers sister
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Hi James
I wonder do you have family photographs to share?
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Hi James
I wonder do you have family photographs to share?
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/topic/253620-silver-war-badge-number/
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Hi James
I wonder do you have family photographs to share?
Mabel mclaughlin with son another James Mclaughlin, Patricia’s brother & his wife Mina
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Hi James
Thanks for sharing the photos. I found a death reference for James Christopher McLaughlin in 1973, registered East Glamorgan. This is the district for Brithdir. Trying to locate where he is buried and hopefully a photograph of his headstone.
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Hi James
Thanks for sharing the photos. I found a death reference for James Christopher McLaughlin in 1973, registered East Glamorgan. This is the district for Brithdir. Trying to locate where he is buried and hopefully a photograph of his headstone.
I got his death certificate
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Hi James
Thanks for sharing the photos. I found a death reference for James Christopher McLaughlin in 1973, registered East Glamorgan. This is the district for Brithdir. Trying to locate where he is buried and hopefully a photograph of his headstone.
I’ve got his death certificate
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Hi James
Thanks for sharing the photos. I found a death reference for James Christopher McLaughlin in 1973, registered East Glamorgan. This is the district for Brithdir. Trying to locate where he is buried and hopefully a photograph of his headstone.
I’ve got his death certificate
and I’ve got his birth certificate
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Hi James
Thanks for sharing the photos. I found a death reference for James Christopher McLaughlin in 1973, registered East Glamorgan. This is the district for Brithdir. Trying to locate where he is buried and hopefully a photograph of his headstone.
I will look out more photos as well if you like. Any history you wish to know just ask
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Hi James
A copy of his death certificate would help if you don't mind. I've emailed one of the daughters who is the custodian of the Silver War Badge and hopefully she will be able to answer your question regarding how they came by the badge. I'm sure the family will be happy to receive whatever photos you can share.
Regards, Roy
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PS; a copy of his birth cert would be appreciated
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PS; a copy of his birth cert would be appreciated
I’ve posted them on the First World War site, wouldn’t let me post on here for some reason
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Hi James
I find the death certificate interesting inasmuch he died in the home of daughter Patricia (Pat) and Gwyn Griffiths in Brithdir. The doctor Patrick O'Shea is a legend in Brithdir, he was the village doctor for 54 years. Given that another daughter Mary Eliza Filmer was the informant I wonder if she and James were visiting Brithdir when he died. I've checked Find A Grave but found no photograph of a headstone at the village cemetery; this doesn't mean he wasn't buried there though unless of course his body was transported back to Kent?
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Hi James
I find the death certificate interesting inasmuch he died in the home of daughter Patricia (Pat) and Gwyn Griffiths in Brithdir. The doctor Patrick O'Shea is a legend in Brithdir, he was the village doctor for 54 years. Given that another daughter Mary Eliza Filmer was the informant I wonder if she and James were visiting Brithdir when he died. I've checked Find A Grave but found no photograph of a headstone at the village cemetery; this doesn't mean he wasn't buried there though unless of course his body was transported back to Kent?
sorry i don’t know where he is buried , he did move to Kent from Greenock but my dad seems to think he spent a lot of time in Wales after his wife Mabel died. Exciting to know there’s still relatives in Wales. His son my grandfather also spent a lot of time in Wales in the late 60s
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Hi James
I find the death certificate interesting inasmuch he died in the home of daughter Patricia (Pat) and Gwyn Griffiths in Brithdir. The doctor Patrick O'Shea is a legend in Brithdir, he was the village doctor for 54 years. Given that another daughter Mary Eliza Filmer was the informant I wonder if she and James were visiting Brithdir when he died. I've checked Find A Grave but found no photograph of a headstone at the village cemetery; this doesn't mean he wasn't buried there though unless of course his body was transported back to Kent?
sorry i don’t know where he is buried , he did move to Kent from Greenock but my dad seems to think he spent a lot of time in Wales after his wife Mabel died. Exciting to know there’s still relatives in Wales. His son my grandfather also spent a lot of time in Wales in the late 60s
note he was born in Salford not greenock and his birth certificate has McLoughlin instead of McLaughln confusing for family historians
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Hi James
I find the death certificate interesting inasmuch he died in the home of daughter Patricia (Pat) and Gwyn Griffiths in Brithdir. The doctor Patrick O'Shea is a legend in Brithdir, he was the village doctor for 54 years. Given that another daughter Mary Eliza Filmer was the informant I wonder if she and James were visiting Brithdir when he died. I've checked Find A Grave but found no photograph of a headstone at the village cemetery; this doesn't mean he wasn't buried there though unless of course his body was transported back to Kent?
sorry i don’t know where he is buried , he did move to Kent from Greenock but my dad seems to think he spent a lot of time in Wales after his wife Mabel died. Exciting to know there’s still relatives in Wales. His son my grandfather also spent a lot of time in Wales in the late 60s
note he was born in Salford not greenock and his birth certificate has McLoughlin instead of McLaughln confusing for family historians
I’ve posted another picture on the ww1 site
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Hi James
I wonder do you have family photographs to share?
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/topic/253620-silver-war-badge-number/
newspaper clip when Greenock didn’t celebrate the kings jubilee. James has a say
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Interesting snippet!!! do you know name of paper and date?
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Interesting snippet!!! do you know name of paper and date?
western daily press 20th February 1935
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Interesting snippet!!! do you know name of paper and date?
western daily press 20th February 1935
Excellent sentiments.
Well done Greenock! :D
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Hi James
I wonder do you have family photographs to share?
would you have any photos you could share?any photos of my great grandfather or grandfather? I wonder if he was at Patricia’s wedding? Email at (*) if it’s easier
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Hi James, would I be correct in thinking that James McLaughlin was your great grandfather and could you clarify who your parents are? Mary Eliza Filmer was my mum, Patricia Griffiths my aunt. James and Mabel McLaughlin were my grandparents.
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Hi James, would I be correct in thinking that James McLaughlin was your great grandfather and could you clarify who your parents are? Mary Eliza Filmer was my mum, Patricia Griffiths my aunt. James and Mabel McLaughlin were my grandparents.
Hi Patricia my parents are David McLaughlin & Valerie McLaughlin your mum was my grandfathers sister
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Yes, so David, Norman and Shirley are my cousins.
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Yes, so David, Norman and Shirley are my cousins.
hi Patricia yes that’s right. Norman & Shirley are still up in Elgin, we’re down in Dorset now. Hope your well
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Yes, so David, Norman and Shirley are my cousins.
hi Patricia yes that’s right. Norman & Shirley are still up in Elgin, we’re down in Dorset now. Hope your well
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Hello James. Thank you. Have you been able to find everything you wanted to know about my grandad? If there is anything you would like to ask, please do as I may be able to help. I lived next door to my grandparents for most of my childhood until nan died. In fact, I was actually born in their back bedroom! Pop (as I called my grandad) lived with us for a while after her death before going to Wales where he lived with auntie Pat and uncle Gwyn before he died.
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Hello James. Thank you. Have you been able to find everything you wanted to know about my grandad? If there is anything you would like to ask, please do as I may be able to help. I lived next door to my grandparents for most of my childhood until nan died. In fact, I was actually born in their back bedroom! Pop (as I called my grandad) lived with us for a while after her death before going to Wales where he lived with auntie Pat and uncle Gwyn before he died.
Hi Patricia have you any more info on his army days & I would love to see any old photos.
Also is he buried in Kent?
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i can pass dads contact information over to you as well if you would like it
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Unfortunately, I do not have any photos. After mum died, my dad stayed on in the house for a while but eventually moved to Wales. Everything in the house was packed up and taken with him and I was moving around a lot with Phil (my husband) because he was in the army so wasn't really there. However, I do remember coming across some postcards from Jim to Mabel from France during the war. I also remember that my grandad had great difficulty in breathing and mum told me that he only had one lung because he had been gassed. He had a funny looking pump which he would use when he couldn't get his breath, probably the equivalent of an inhaler today. Mind you, he still smoked like a chimney!! I am 99% certain that he was not buried in Kent. I seem to remember that his funeral was in Wales and it is more likely that he would have been cremated. Although I cannot say for sure, it may be that mum brought his ashes back to Kent and put them with my nan's. She was cremated at Medway crematorium.
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Unfortunately, I do not have any photos. After mum died, my dad stayed on in the house for a while but eventually moved to Wales. Everything in the house was packed up and taken with him and I was moving around a lot with Phil (my husband) because he was in the army so wasn't really there. However, I do remember coming across some postcards from Jim to Mabel from France during the war. I also remember that my grandad had great difficulty in breathing and mum told me that he only had one lung because he had been gassed. He had a funny looking pump which he would use when he couldn't get his breath, probably the equivalent of an inhaler today. Mind you, he still smoked like a chimney!! I am 99% certain that he was not buried in Kent. I seem to remember that his funeral was in Wales and it is more likely that he would have been cremated. Although I cannot say for sure, it may be that mum brought his ashes back to Kent and put them with my nan's. She was cremated at Medway crematorium.
I’ve got a few photos I wouldn’t mind sharing if you gave me your email address
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Unfortunately, I do not have any photos. After mum died, my dad stayed on in the house for a while but eventually moved to Wales. Everything in the house was packed up and taken with him and I was moving around a lot with Phil (my husband) because he was in the army so wasn't really there. However, I do remember coming across some postcards from Jim to Mabel from France during the war. I also remember that my grandad had great difficulty in breathing and mum told me that he only had one lung because he had been gassed. He had a funny looking pump which he would use when he couldn't get his breath, probably the equivalent of an inhaler today. Mind you, he still smoked like a chimney!! I am 99% certain that he was not buried in Kent. I seem to remember that his funeral was in Wales and it is more likely that he would have been cremated. Although I cannot say for sure, it may be that mum brought his ashes back to Kent and put them with my nan's. She was cremated at Medway crematorium.
I’ve got a few photos I wouldn’t mind sharing if you gave me your email address, also mum & dad tell me they went to your wedding. Would you have any pics of them on the day? My email address(*)
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