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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Marmalady on Sunday 24 September 17 12:03 BST (UK)
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Lucy Annie Cope married widower William Raby in Lancaster in October 1894
In 1901, William is visiting his married daughter Nelly Green in Bolton, but Lucy is not with him
In 1911, Lucy is an inmate in an institution in Lancaster listed as "married"
Lucy dies in Lancaster in 1926
Where was Lucy in 1901 ?
Where was William in 1911?
Can anyone find them -- or a death for William ?
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Age, birthplace, occupation?
List of other family members with their name, birthplace, occupation and age/ birthyear for 1901/ 1911?
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Sorry
Lucy Annie Cope bn 1852 Lincoln -- spinster at time of marriage formerly Domestic Nurse
William Raby bn 1849 Lancaster Carpenter / Joiner
Previous wife Emma died 1892
Children include Nelly (married Henry Green as second wife) William Pernie , Mary Agnes, Maggie L
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The one in Bolton in 1901 is a widower
Henry Green Head 41
Nelly Green Wife 26
Fanny Green Daughter 19
George Green Son 17
Maggie Green Daughter 6
Leah Green Daughter 5
Harold Green Son 2
Doris A Green Daughter 6/12
William Raby Father in Law Widower 51 Joiner
Maggie J Raby Sister in Law 17
Edgar G Raby Stepson 6
RG13/3641/25/42
Looking at the ages, they can't all be Nelly's children.
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Did William remarry? I can see one in Manchester in 1911 that could fit.
Same birth place same occupation
Ignore this
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In 1911, Lucy is an inmate in an institution in Lancaster listed as "married"
So that means if the Lucy Raby in the workhouse is the correct person, William was telling lies about his status in 1901.
Who are the parents of the stepson Edgar G Raby?
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So if the William in Bolton is not the one who married Lucy -- is there another one ?
The age & occupation match
He gave his occupation as Carpenter on his marriage -- from LancsOPC:
Marriage: 11 Oct 1894 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
William Raby - 45, Carpenter, Widower, 93 Ullswater Rd.
Lucy Annie Cope - 42, Spinster, Elmsfield
Groom's Father: Thomas Raby, (deceased), Cabinet Maker
Bride's Father: John Cope, Draper
Witness: Henry Leeson; William Swails Hodgson; Bessie Walker
Married by Banns by: Frank Coleman
Register: Marriages 1889 - 1899, Page 117, Entry 233
Source: LDS Film 1526202
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Edgar Gration Raby registered 1894 mmn Raby
Maggie Jane Raby registered 1884 mmn Ashton
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Who are the parents of the stepson Edgar G Raby?
Looks like he is the illegitimate son of one of the Raby girls:
RABY, EDGAR GRATION -
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 727
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Marriage: 21 Nov 1871 St Oswald (formerly Holy Trinity), Warton nr Lancaster, Lancashire, England
William Raby - 22, Joiner, Bachelor, Lancaster
Emma Ashton - full, Spinster, Carnforth
Groom's Father: Thomas Raby, Cabinet maker
Bride's Father: Thomas Ashton, Labourer
Witness: Thomas Hoch?; Agnes Ashton
Married by Banns by: John Atkinson Fidler, Curate of Carnforth
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1901 Lucy is in the Asylum in Lancaster, Lancashire.
L A R, born c 1853, Leicester, Lincolnshire
Down as married, Joiners Wife.
(image of pob is Lincolnshire, Lincoln)
I just put in l a (iniials only), as christian name, no surname, born c 1852 +/- 2yrs, born Lincs, living in Lancashire.
She was the top entry that popped up.
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NAME: Lucy A Raby
BIRTH: abt 1849
DEATH: Mar 1926 - Lancaster, Lancashire
Sorry just realised you had her death Marmalady.
Poor lady likely in the Asylum all those years.
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Have you ruled out the William Raby in 1911 who is married to Mary?
Same pob/occp.
Sorry heatherjulie just noticed you had quoted this.
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Thanks Trish
Poor Lucy indeed -- over 25 years in an asylum
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My gut tells me that is William in 1911 Census.
He was not free to marry so may have just taken up with Mary and Thomas may be her Son.
Death Reg in Chorlton Reg District Dec 1820 for a William Raby age 72 which fits.
1911 that William above is living in that Reg District.
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William & Mary claim to have been married 16 years -- which would be 1895 -- so only a few months after he married Lucy
I can't find a suitable William & Mary marriage -- nor a birth of a Thomas Raby around 1895
So you may well be right, Trish
Did poor Lucy go into the asylum only months after her marriage or have William & Mary fudged their so-called marriage to fit Thomas's age?
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I think they fudged it as you say, only 1 child in 16 years of Marriage seems unlikely.
Image of Mary has Mary Jane and I think born Northumberland.
Looked for her and so called Son Thomas in 1901 with no surname, with no luck.
William was not with her in 1901 so I would say Thomas may just be her Son.