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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: cristeen on Monday 25 September 17 17:50 BST (UK)
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I have this man on census records living in Poulton-le-Sands (1841 & 1851) and a burial record at Holy Trinity, Poulton le Sands on 7th February 1855. I am struggling to find the registration of this death, the nearest match being Richard Gardner Jan/March 1855 Ulverston 8e 506, aged 60 (from GRO index) I have ordered this cert (he was a fisherman/sailor so may have died aboard ship and landed at Ulverston hence the death being registered there) It was more usual for his family BMDs to be registered at Lancaster, hence my uncertainty.
Can anyone find an alternative death registration? I have tried surname variations (Garner, Garder, Gardiner & wild cards, also searched without a forename with no joy. Any help much appreciated.
TIA Christine
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It is possible that the death wasn't registered. Although Civil Registration started in 1837 it was not made compulsory until about 1874.
Emeltom
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emeltom, I suppose that is a possibility although his childrens' births 1837 onward were all registered & an infant death in 1844 so I would assume Richard's death would be too.
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If he went over board the chances are he would have been washed up along the coast hence registered as Ulverston then conveyed by his family back to Poulton,have you checked the local newspapers for a possible drowning
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this is interesting in our local church,
you need to check this out
St Marys Dalton in Furness
29th April 1850
Richard Gardner
aged 50 years
abode Poulton Le Sands
Near Lancaster
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It is possible that the death wasn't registered. Although Civil Registration started in 1837 it was not made compulsory until about 1874.
Emeltom
This is incorrect, it was compulsory, but the onus was on the Registrar to go out collect birth registrations prior to 1875, so quite few slipped through the net, after 1875 it was up to the parents or someone attending the birth to register, or there was a fine involved.
Marriages and deaths were a different matter, it is an exception to find a death going unregistered.
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The article I have found is to large to type
but you may find he drowned on route from Maryport back to Poulton following the herring,
boat Zephyrette February 1850 do a little google search
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I am wondering as strange as it sounds if he drowned or was lost on the sands in 1850 and his body or remains may have been found in 55 it needs a bit of detective work this one because the article does state his boat went down in 1850 with no lives saved or bodies found
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Three Poulton fishermen drowned
On Wednesday week three Poulton fishing boats each manned by three men
left the harbour of Maryport,at the termination of the fishing season bound for Morcambe Bay
Owing to the heavy sea's ,however they put into the Duddon and remained there till Friday,On that day again they set sail to Poulton,one of the boats named Zephyrette containing Robery Baxter Richard Lupton and Richard Gardner took the lead,and sailed out of sight owing to the high winds rising the two boats took refuge in Piel Harbour,they arrived the next tide at Poulton and on hearing their comrades had not arrived they expressed their fears for their safety ,The result confirmed their speculation for on the following day the boat was found inbedded in the sand near Heysham It is supposed that it stuck on a sand bank knows as Clarkes wharf point and imediatly filled,Robert Bxters cap drifted up on Sunday but no other traces of the bodies have been found
report Feb 23rd 1850 there are others
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I stand corrected Jebber. Never too old to learn.
Emeltom
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Radcliff, I found the article about Richard Gardner, Zephyrette, drowning in 1850, and wondered for a while if I'd got things wrong, but my Richard is definitely on the 1851 census. This Richard's body was eventually recovered in early May 1850 and buried at Rampside. I have since discovered, through another article involving my Richard's son, also a Richard, & his brothers at a court trial in 1850 that the Richard Gardner from Poulton with red hair was not related to them in any way. Thanks for your help so far :)
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even though the record states he s buried at St Marys his body is in fact in Rampside church yard he was found 11 weeks after he drowned washed up at Piel Island,and had a notebook in his pocket that helped Identify him I pass this church yard often he is in a lovely place
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so two Richards same age and fishermen okay xxx
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In the trial report, the police officers complain that the fishermen from Poulton all look the same and have the same names! The majority of them went by nicknames because of the limited range of forenames and surnames :)
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on the burial you have in 1855 Poulton, the abode given is Holme Parish of Burton is that not near Kendal
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on the burial you have in 1855 Poulton, the abode given is Holme Parish of Burton is that not near Kendal
My copy of the parish register states Poulton as the abode ???
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Burial: 29 Apr 1850 St Mary, Dalton in Furness, Lancashire, England
Richard Gardner -
Age: 50 yrs
Abode: Poulton-le-Sand near Lancaster
Buried by: W Dawson off'g minister
Burial: 7 Feb 1855 Holy Trinity, Poulton-le-Sands, Lancashire, England
Richard Gardner -
Age: 59
Abode: Poulton
Buried by: E. F. MANBY
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From GRO
Richard Gardner aged 60 1855 M Quarter Ulverstone Union Vol 08E Page 506
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I stand corrected Jebber. Never too old to learn.
Emeltom
That is what I like about this hobby of ours, there is always something new to learn, it is remembering everything we learn that is the problem. ;D ;D ;D
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the nearest match being Richard Gardner Jan/March 1855 Ulverston 8e 506, aged 60 (from GRO index) I have ordered this cert (he was a fisherman/sailor so may have died aboard ship and landed at Ulverston hence the death being registered there)
Have you received this certificate if so what information does it give
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the nearest match being Richard Gardner Jan/March 1855 Ulverston 8e 506, aged 60 (from GRO index) I have ordered this cert (he was a fisherman/sailor so may have died aboard ship and landed at Ulverston hence the death being registered there)
Have you received this certificate if so what information does it give
From GRO
Richard Gardner aged 60 1855 M Quarter Ulverstone Union Vol 08E Page 506
This is the one I've ordered, hope it's my man. Not yet received, I will update with details when it arrives.
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Thanks cristeen, I wasn't sure whether you were waiting for it. :)
Rosie
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So the DC arrived yesterday and confirms he was found drowned in Barrow Harbour, a seaman aged 50-60, informant was the coroner. A newspaper search turned up a tiny report on the inquest. No name mentioned but he was of the flat (sailing cargo boat) Dinas captained by a Baxter. Richard's wife was a Baxter so maybe a relative 🙂
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Thank you for posting the details.
It looks as though the 'Dinas' mainly carried iron ore. Newspapers have sailings mentioning Morecambe & Barrow. I can't see any mention of Richard in 1855 though. I have found Morecambe/Heysham/Lancaster generally quite well covered by online newspapers so it is a shame there is nothing more evident.
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The Dinas sailed from Barrow to Morcambe often it appears she carried Iron ore
the local newspapers are not online as far as I know for Barrow in Furness
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I found the inquest report in the Kendal Mercury. I too am surprised that none of Lancaster papers have printed it, one had the articles above and below the inquest report but not the inquest. Most frustrating when these newspapers often ran the same stories just with slightly differing details. Thanks for the input everyone :)