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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: amac1210 on Wednesday 27 September 17 16:19 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
I've been hunting for information about an ancestor named William Campbell for some time now. He was born c.1812 in Johnstone (from 1841 and 1851 census records) and married a woman named Ann Reid in Abbey Paisley on the 15th June 1839. They had many children, nine in total it would seem. Ann Reid was born on the 14th April 1811 in Boghall, Lanarkshire before passing away on the 8th September 1892 at the Govan Poorhouse sadly. However, for William I cannot find any birth or death records. My hope is to find his parents' names and push the Campbell line back further.
Any ideas?
Cheers,
Tony
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What was William's occupation on the 1841/51 censuses?
When was their 9th child born?
What is Ann's marital status on 1861-1891 censuses?
Who was the first of their children to marry? Is William shown as deceased on the marriage cert?
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Hi Carole,
In 1841 he was a "Cotton Spinner" but by 1851 he was a "Grocer and Spirit Merchant".
His eighth and ninth children were twins, born in 1855. Both died tragically within a day of their births.
From the marriage records he died sometime after 1880 and before 1892. Ann Reid was a widow on her death in 1892 and he is listed as living on his daughter's death record in 1880, and on his other daughter's marriage in 1880.
Thanks,
Tony
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In 1861 and 1871 - is Ann shown as married or widowed
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I haven't seen those census records and can't access them for now.
But it seems he was alive at 1881. His daughter Euphemia died in 1881 (not 1880 - my earlier mistake) and her "father was present". So he definitely died between 1881 and 1892.
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His daughter Euphemia died in 1881 and her "father was present". So he definitely died between 1881 and 1892.
Just a thought...
Where did Euphemia die & was it in a different town from where wife Ann died?
Just wondering if Ann had moved after William's death?
Annie
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I wonder...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksq/
Not helping with his death but if that's him he may have gone elsewhere ???
Case was concluded 1881 but no exact date i.e. may have been prior to census?
Just to clarify the reasoning of Carole's question of whether Ann was a widow on census' 1861 - 1891...
They could have been separated & she not necessarily a widow.
Annie
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Have you eliminated this one being your William?
CAMPBELL WILLIAM
72
1881
573/ 915
Paisley
Annie
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There are quite a few deaths on SP between 1881 - 1892 which would fit Williams age, some of which allow for a margin of error as ages can often be out on death certs.
"His daughter Euphemia died in 1881 and her "father was present"
Where was William on 1881 census, was he at home with Ann or elsewhere?
Annie
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Hi all ,
1881 LDS Census transcription -
25 Market Street Glasgow Lanark
William Campbell 70 spirit salesman born Bridge of Johnstone Renfrew
Ann Campbell 70 wife b. Oldmonkland Lanark
Alexander Campbell 32 son b. Largo(Largs?) Ayr
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There is a William Campbell at 25 Market Street Lanark on the 1865 and 1875 Valuation Rolls but not on the 1885 Roll.
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Only 4 deaths Lanark 1881 - 1885 but I haven't checked which would be closest to his last abode & of course he may have been with a relative & maybe none of these are him?
I used his birth year as 1812 +/- 5
CAMPBELL WILLIAM 69
1881
644/13 413
Tradeston
CAMPBELL WILLIAM 74
1882
644/3 763
Dennistoun
CAMPBELL WILLIAM 76
1884
644/14 404
Kinning Park
CAMPBELL WILLIAM 73
1884
562/ 235
Eastwood
Annie
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Hello All,
Many thanks for the thoughts Annie, and the detail on the census ev. It makes sense Alexander Campbell was living with them at that point - he was an "imbecile" on one of the censuses and ended up in permanent care later in his life, once his parents had both gone.
Regarding William, I have checked all those records you suggested Annie except for the one from Eastwood. I'd never considered Eastwood as being likely.
Thoughts?
Is there anything for his birth at all? If he was born in Bridge of Johnstone, Renfrew around 1812 it should be possible to find something.
Best,
Tony
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p.s. the one in Paisley was also eliminated as a possibility
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Tony,
What were the children's names in order please?
Have you considered he may have been with one of his children & do you know where they were 1881 - 1891.
"Is there anything for his birth at all? If he was born in Bridge of Johnstone, Renfrew around 1812 it should be possible to find something"
As far as I know all RC & CoS records are on SP but not all children were baptised & not all records have survived e.g. torn pages in the Registry Book or writing illegible.
I wouldn't be too rigid with his PoB as quite often it's not where they thought especially if the parents moved while they were young!
Annie
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Any death cert will show his wife's name to establish you have the right entry
You are dealing with a pretty common name so may have to spend on some credits and download several death certs between 1881 and 1892 to get the right one
Only by doing so will you establish his parents names.
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Hello,
Children were:
1) Euphemia Campbell (1840-1881) married Daniel Taylor (c.1831-1902)
2) Peter Campbell (1842-?)
3) William Campbell (1843-?)
4) Ann Campbell (1848-?) married John McAulay (1852-1935)
5) Alexander Carswell Campbell (1849-1925)
6) Jean Fulton Campbell (1850-1923) married James Peters (c.1847-1925)
7) Richard Reid Campbell (1852-1920)
8) Mary Ann Campbell (1855-1855)
9) Archibald Campbell (1855-1855).
I don't know where all those children lived. And I haven't went through the census records at all, primarily because of cost at the moment.
Best,
Tony
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Please see my reply above re: death certs.
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Thanks Carole. The hope is one can be found with time. It may be very costly given the number of guys with that name however. I'll get back to it at some point, when I've got more cash to spare on this. What about birth records? I wonder if such a record could be located. Generally, from my experience, the Presbyterians (which I think William Campbell was a member of) were excellent at record keeping.
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As I mentioned above - it's a common name and without confirmation of his parentage from his death cert - how would you pinpoint the right baptism?
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Looks like they used the Scottish naming pattern if this is William...
CAMPBELL WILLIAM
PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID FR383
01/04/1811
568/10 497
Kilbarchan
1st son named Peter & 2nd dau named Ann
You will notice Richard has a middle name REID which is a good indicator too.
Annie
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I don't know where all those children lived. And I haven't went through the census records at all, primarily because of cost at the moment.
Have you tried www.freecen.org.uk
It would at least show you where they lived if they are recorded on that site as it doesn't hold all Scottish census' although the 1841 is there in full (the only one).
People don't always die at home or in the area they lived.
I knew someone who died abroad on holiday but I'm sure in years to come his descendants would expect him to have died in his home town of which he'd been resident for decades (40+ yrs) although not born there.
Annie
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Tony,
You didn't state Ann's parents but you obviously know who they were as you have her baptism, were they William & Euphemia?
Annie
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"Ann Reid was born on the 14th April 1811 in Boghall, Lanarkshire"
I have searched high & low with every denomination & as I have no idea which Parish 'Boghall' would be, I couldn't find a likely in the whole of Lanarkshire with every variant Reid/Ried/Reed/Read & ditto for the whole of Scotland ???
Where did you find Ann's birth?
Annie
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On the assumption of the naming pattern & hopefully confirmed with a DC for William this looks to be siblings?...
CAMPBELL JAMES - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR366) 27/10/1801
568/10 463 Kilbarchan
Big gap here i.e. possibly 2 others born/stillborn?
CAMPBELL JOHN - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR375) 01/12/1807
568/10 482 Kilbarchan
CAMPBELL PETER - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR380) 15/03/1809
568/10 491 Kilbarchan
CAMPBELL WILLIAM - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR383) 01/04/1811
568/10 497 Kilbarchan (Hopefully this can be confirmed as yours)
CAMPBELL COLIN - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR385) 16/03/1813
568/10 502 Kilbarchan
CAMPBELL ROBERT - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR389) 10/04/1815
568/10 510 Kilbarchan
CAMPBELL ARCHIBALD - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR393) 28/03/1817
568/10 517 Kilbarchan
CAMPBELL ANN - PETER CAMPBELL/ANN REID (FR587) 31/03/1820
568/30 5 Kilbarchan
There are others who look like they may be related too.
Annie
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Very good research Annie! Thanks for your time. I think we'll need to confirm birth with getting his DC. The trouble with the Reid connection you point out, is that his wife was Ann REID. I'd assumed Richard Reid Campbell was named for her surname.
She was indeed the daughter of Euphemia Marylees and William Reid. I confirmed via DC's and birth records and marriage records. Euphemia lived to ripe old age (91 years - people didn't all die young, even in those days) dying in 1869, so this allowed me to see who her own parents were. Their names were John Merrylies and Elizabeth Lightbody. But that's another section of research.
I'll have a further look when I've got more free time.
Thanks again,
Anthony
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Does anyone have any informatin on William Campbell's daughter Euphemia's daughter, Margaret Taylor who married Alexander Drummond on 30 April 1913?
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Hello Mary Woodbine,
I do have some information on her, I wonder how you connect with this woman? She was born 05 April 1878, at 70 Suffolk Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow. She died 27 May 1913 at 11 Palin Street, Cowcaddens, Glasgow. This property then passed to her sister Annie Reid Taylor, who was married to James McLuckie. I am their descendant. Or, alternatively, they were in the same "close" of a tenement so had the same address? The marriage seems to have been one of some tragedy, and I expect it may have been contracted in full knowledge of her imminant passing. Her cause of death is given as "Ulceration of the Palate, Pharynx and Larnyx" along with "Septic Pneumonia". Pretty horrific set of medical issues.
Her husband Alexander Drummond passed on 08 September 1926 aged 53 at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow. His cause of death oesophagal cancer. By that time he had re-married to Eliza Niven Neilson Gregor, born about 1878 and died 20 September 1942 at the Southern General Hospital, Glasgow from cancer. I note on the marriage certificate of Alexander and Margaret, he is listed as "Formerly married" though this mysterious first wife isn't given on his death certificate, I expect a nasty divorce maybe? She was apparently still alive as "Widowed" would have been written otherwise.
Eliza too had been married previously to a man of surname "Meechan" or "Meehan". I expect that marriage was contracted elsewhere, because I can't find a record for it in Scotland. It's an Irish surname, maybe it was out there? No idea if this was separation or divorce.
So are you connected? If you have any photographs it'd be amazing. I have a photograph of Annie Reid Taylor and her husband James McLuckie, which you might be interested in if you are interested in Margaret Taylor.
Best Wishes,
Anthony
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Regards
Sarah