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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: HermitCedar on Friday 29 September 17 15:55 BST (UK)
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Hey everyone,
I'm getting pretty stuck tracing my line back into Scotland. So far I've found that I am descended from James Muir Wilson, who was born on the 6th of March, 1843 in Wigtownshire, Scotland, to John Wilson and Margaret Muir - John and Margaret were married at the time... Muir is Margaret's maiden name. James Muir Wilson did also move to Liverpool, so I can't tell either if his parents moved with him or died in Scotland.
I can't find anything on where John Wilson and Margaret Muir, the parents of James Muir Wilson, were born or in what year. James also had a sister, Margaret Muir Wilson, born in Old Luce in 1845. The closest detail I've found is that they were married in February of 1843, just a month before their son was born, at Old Luce parish in Wigtown.
In February 1868, however, James Muir Wilson did marry a Mary Bann in St. Phillips church in Liverpool.
One detail - I can't find any marriage info for John and Margaret for Feb 1843, but I found it in a google search, which turned up a transcribed version of the local newspaper, showing a John Wilson and Margaret Muir getting married by the same minister who baptized their baby a month later. So this marriage info I have, about them getting married in 1843, has no family info or etc, just the names and the date of marriage. I cannot find the corresponding document for the life of me in parish records.
So, again, what I am really looking for is help tracing James parents, John Wilson and Margaret Muir, back further. Particularly on the Wilson side as I am trying to establish some clan information for my father, but I am wildly interested in Muir as well!
Thanks so much in advance!
Does anyone have any input? I've been stuck here for quite awhile.
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Hi,
How near are you to Scotland?
Maggsie
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Hi , and Welcome :)
Adding this as it might mean something later on -
1841 Census transcription(FreeCEN)
Gennoch Cothouse , Old Luce , Wigtownshire.
John Wilson 15 gardener apprentice born Outside Census County
Margaret Muir 20 dressmaker b. Wigtownshire
Ages maybe rounded down :-\
ev
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How on earth did you find that?!?!
Maybe I'm too new for this, but I have been searching a lot for info on them... I didn't think Scotland did censuses prior to 1855?
Regardless, thank you!
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Hi! I live in the United States, so pretty far :/
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https://www.freecen.org.uk/
https://www.freecen.org.uk/statistics.html
Offical records for BMD's started in 1855(Scotland)
ev
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That was part of my question - so censuses were earlier but BMD was 1855 and on?
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so censuses were earlier but BMD was 1855 and on?
Yes , the first national Census was 1841.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=24468.0
ev
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Another thought, I can't seem to find an original copy of that census. Where do you typically look for them?
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Are you using the Scotlandspeople website ?
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
That is the only place for original Scottish Census records.
ev
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All BMDs and census are held at Scotlands People website https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk it is a pay per view site and you can download and view census 1841 through to 1911 also parish records up to 1855 then BMDs from 1855 up 100years for birth 75 for marriages and 50 years for deaths after the event
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Ah, yes, I was just searching for it incorrectly.
I'm pretty sure that's them... the locations and times line up.
Now to try and find birth certificates or their parents names... sigh!
Thanks again for all of your help!
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Hi folks,
Interestingly on the 1851 Census at Inch, Wigtownshire -
the address Gennoch Cothouse
William McCormack Head 59 Tailor born Wigtownshire, Inch
Mary McCormack Wife 60 Engaged in domestic duties born Wigtownshire, Stoneykirk
Margaret McCormack Dau 27 Cotton Flourer born " , Inch
Jean McCormack Dau 15 Cotton Flourer born " . Inch
James Wilson Nephew 7 Scholar born " , Leswalt
Could this be James Muir Wilson? Odd that it's a boy of right name & age living at that address . Wonder where his parents are ?
Looby :)
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Oh wow, that's wild!
It totally COULD be him, but I wonder how I could confirm if he is? Hrmm......
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Only problem is one Gennoch Cothouse is Inch parish (1851) and the other is in OLd Luce parish (1841) - I'm not sure it's the same cottage. Could be a co-incidence ::)
Looby :)
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Oh well! At least we know Old Luce is the one we're looking for!
Thanks again!
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HermitCedar,
Do you know what James Muir Wilson's occupation was when he married ?
And have you found him on the England 1871 Census ?
Been looking on Scottish Censuses and can't find the family :(
Looby :)
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Hello!
Yes, I think I found him on the 1871 census in Toxteth Park in Liverpool.
By at that time he was 27, the census just says "born in Scotland," and his profession is "warehouseman."
These 1870s brits didn't want to give me much detail to go on :)
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Yes, I think I found him on the 1871 census in Toxteth Park in Liverpool.
By at that time he was 27, the census just says "born in Scotland," and his profession is "warehouseman."
These 1870s brits didn't want to give me much detail to go on :)
Here's the link to the 1871 census for James with his wife and children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD66-CTQ
marriage 4th Feb 1868
James Wilson age 25 warehouseman father John occ Agent
Mary Bann 22 f Thomas, bookkeeper