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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: LizzieL on Monday 02 October 17 12:03 BST (UK)
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Thomas Pembroke/Pembrook married Jane Partridge in Letcombe Bassett in 1770, they had 12 children baptisms ranging from 1771 to 1796, so would be quite young when married. There is a burial for a Thomas Pembrook in LB on 19 Jan 1826, age at death would make year of birth abt 1846, poss 1845 as chances are he hadn't yet had his birthday for 1826. This would make him abt 25 when he married, (Jane was abt 20 at marriage). So that fits.
I have found a baptism for a Thomas in West East Challow on 21 Apr 1745 s/o John and Sarah Pembroke which would fit with dates, but no other evidence that it is the right one. Thomas called his first daughter Sarah, but did not have a John until his 5th son, his 1st son was William. Jane Partridge's parents were William and Sarah, so Sarah jnr could have been named after Jane's mother.
I can't find a marriage for John Pembroke and Sarah nor any siblings for Thomas, which might help to put a picture together.
Can anyone please find any more on these earlier Pembrokes?
information on Thomas and Jane's children here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=779763.0
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Hi LizzieL,
I can't find their marriage in East Challow about 1745 as there appears to be a partial gap
in my transcripts.
However, there are on-line trees (Ancy) that are showing that John Pembrook married a Sarah Fisher in East Challow on 3-9-1745. It could be they have taken details from the BTs although none are showing any specific source records. They might have been missed when transcribing of the registers were done. If correct John could be the s/o John Pembrook and Susanna Watlington. As is often the case with on-line trees, they show John as coming from various places all over the UK!!
Sarah appears to have been bapt. 10-11-1706 E/Challow d/o Joseph & Sarah.
There are burials in E/Challow for Sarah Pembrook 29-7-1780 and for John 7-12-1809 aged 98.
Alan.
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Thank you, I had seen the two burials, but was a bit sceptical about John's age. The date of marriage is after baptism of Thomas who seems to be their only child. Wouldn't he be described as Thomas Fisher base born s/o Sarah if they didn't marry until September? If Sarah was baptised in 1706, she would have been 39, possible but a bit old for first child.
I had wondered if John and Sarah had come from elsewhere with a young family and Thomas was their last child born after their arrival in Challow. All the Pembroke / Pembrooks I've found in Challow / Letcombe seem to trace back to Thomas.
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Just had a look at some Ancestry trees, they do have the Pembrooks getting around a bit - Yorkshire, Kent - sounds too far away from Berkshire.
There is a record of a marriage licence being issued to John Pembrooke and Susanna Watlington on 24 Aug 1709 - it was from Calendar of marriage licenses issued by the Faculty Office, 1632-1714 which only gives name and date but no place. There is a John Pembrook and wife Susanna baptising children in Binfield Berks. Their first was John bapt 1710 but he died two days after being baptised and they didn't have a replacement John until 1719. Binfield is the other end of the county from Challow, and would he have made a 9 year error in his age?
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Hi LizzieL,
I've found some burials for "Penbrook" in All Saints, Binfield, namely;
27-11-1713 Susan
13-7-1722 Susannah
13-9-1725 John
Could these be related?
Alan
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Hi LizzieL,
Just found a marriage for John Penbrook;
Letcombe Regis;
9-3-1744/5 John Penbrook, of Sparsholt to
Sarah Fisher, otp,
By Licence
Neither baptism of the above found in L/Regis, but this one;
24-5-1740/1 Richard Fisher (illegitimate) s/o Sarah - born 16-5.
Alan
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Hi Lizz,
Me again.
Thomas Pembroke/Pembrook married Jane Partridge
Sparsholt; Jane Partridge bapt. 20-5-1750 d/o William & Sarah "of Westcott"
Alan
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Hi LizzieL,
Just found a marriage for John Penbrook;
Letcombe Regis;
9-3-1744/5 John Penbrook, of Sparsholt to
Sarah Fisher, otp,
By Licence
Neither baptism of the above found in L/Regis, but this one;
24-5-1740/1 Richard Fisher (illegitimate) s/o Sarah - born 16-5.
Alan
Thank you that does seem likely, Penbrook is a close enough spelling. Marriage by licence for speed, seeing as little Thomas was born not too long after.
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Hi LizzieL,
I have been following the Pembrokes of Letcombe Bassett and Binfield for a long time. I hope the following is of use.
John Pembrooke a bachelor aged 30 farmer of Binfield married Susanna Watlington (bapt. 26 Dec. 1689 at Swallowfield, d/o Joseph and Susanna Watlington) spinster aged 20 of the same parish. Licence dated 24 August 1709. They were later married at Yately, Hants, 28 August 1709. Their holding, north of the parish, was valued by the church at £2 10s in 1721. Poll Book of 1721 describes him as a freeholder of Binfield. He was an overseer and/or churchwarden 26 Sep 1724 and may be the Pembroke who was a JP 10 May 1722 (Berks Overseers Papers). John was buried at Binfield 13 Sept 1725 and Susanna 1 March 1726. The manorial records describe John Pembroke deceased (1725) as husbandman.
John and Susanna Pembroke had 6 children, only three of whom survived to adulthood. Joseph (bapt. 24 Sept 1714) seems to have inherited the farm as the son and heir of John Pembroke (Cookham manorial court records 1759 - 1782). Joseph was described as a yeoman. Part of the land in which he dwelt was known as the Harp at Carters Hill Common and seems to have been quite a small holding. This had been sold by 1760.
His younger brother, John (bapt. 11 May 1719), was accused of stealing geese from William Pitt. Warrant issued 5 Jan 1737/8. (Diaries and Correspondence of Robert Lee of Binfield 1736 - 1744. Ed by Harry Leonard. Berks Record Society, vol 18, 2012). He may be the John Pembrooke who married Sarah Fisher at East Challow in 1744. Possibly he fled after stealing the geese in order to escape punishment. The third surviving child was Jane, bapt 30 Jan 1716.
As the three surviving children of John and Susanna were orphaned at a young age who brought them up, I wonder? It could have been Susanna’s brother, Joseph Watlington of Binfield. He was a farmer and owner of a mill in the parish. He is mentioned on a number of occasions in the diary of Robert Lee. He died 2 April 1743. The name is generally spelt in the diary as Wattleton.
Please feel free to let me know if you would like more information on the Pembrokes. They go a long way back in Berks and Hants.
Regards,
Pembrom
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Hello Pembrom, and welcome to Rootschat!
Thank you for the mass of information on the Binfield Pembrokes. The names and dates look consistent with John of Binfield being the John who went to Sparsholt then Challow. But how to prove (or disprove) is the problem. But at least if the Binfield family have property, wills might have been left which provide the answer. I'll lokk into that.
Thank you again.
Are you related to the Pembrokes of Binfield? Thomas Pembroke and his wife Jane were my 4 x great grandparents
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Hello LizzieL
Thank you for your reply and welcome to Rootschat.
I am descended from Thomas and Jane Pembroke....their son William is my 4xgreatgrandfather.
I’ll try and get some more information from the warrant against John. The Berks Record Society might have something...perhaps a digital copy of the original.
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Would your 4 x great grandmother be Sarah Sly? I've only got details of marriages of two of their daughters: Rachel and Jane. I haven't researched Elizabeth, Ann or Charles yet.
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Yes, Sarah Sly is my 4 X great grandmother.
William and Sarah had a family of 4 daughters and one son, all at Great Bedwyn.
Rachel was the eldest, bapt. 29 June 1800, and Jane the youngest bapt. 5 July 1812.
Charles bapt. 8 May 1803 at Great Bedwyn, marr. Sarah Lawrence (widow) 25 Dec. 1824 at Aldbourne, bur. 30 Nov. 1891 (Aldbourne). Sarah L buried 26 April 1885.
Elizabeth bapt. 19 July 1807 at Great Bedwyn.
Ann bapt. 19 Nov. 1809 at Great Bedwyn. She had a daughter Elizabeth Pembroke bapt. 1838 ( I have never found a marriage).
I have asked the Berks Record Office about the warrant against John of Binfield. No reply as yet.
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Hello Lizzie,
Re: John Pembrooke of Binfield
I have received some information from the Berkshire Record Office regarding the arrest warrant for John. There isn't much to say really, except that it appears he was never apprehended. It looks like he fled the parish.
Regards, Pembrom.
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Thank you for the information.
If he disappeared from Binfield he could have gone anywhere, but it still makes him a possible for the John who turned up in Sparsholt. But is that far enough from Binfield to evade arrest? Almost 40 miles. No national police force then. I think law enforcement was done by local justices of the peace and constables acting for them, so maybe their jurisdiction was limited to quite a small area. Hopefully someone will know more about policing in the early - mid 18th century.